[kenneth]

Originally Posted by Blue_Phoenix

Because they're paranoid. They perceive an assault on Christmas despite the fact the President is Christian, most of Congress is Christian, and I'm pretty sure the entire Supreme Court is Christian. And when pressed, the vast majority of the population will say they're Christian if you ask them what religion they follow.

Ruth Ginsburg is a Jew.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by kenneth

thought someone might respond like that.

i know there are old Churches in Africa. But these communities are not growing at the rate you imply. It is largely the fruit of western missionaries that is yeilding this great harvesting of souls.

protestant and catholic movements for the most part as far as we are discussing the bible boom in Africa.

I wasn't implying they were growing at any rates... just that they have their own ways of expressing it.

[kenneth]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Actually the number of practicing christians worldwide is increasing very rapidly, especially membership in certain evangelical churches (pentecostal is the most impressive). Africa is ground zero for this, but south america and the United States and even Europe are all seeing a major revival of christianity plus the birth of new christian denominations

here you discuss the growth of x-tianity in Africa as "ground-zero" in the bible boom. later, you imply that these x-tians are in fact adherents of traditionally African forms of the religion. (i find it interesting that you seem to laud the splintering & sectarian nature of some of these groups.)

I suggest that most of the people being included in the demographics of this "boom" are not, in fact related to the older African Churches but that they are, by and large, the result of the work of western missionary agents.

When the West loses it's grip on African spirituality and these Africans begin to assert their own interpretations and expressions of Christian religion I think will be an interesting time.

It would also be fruitful endeavor to examine the historical relations of the aformentioned old African Churches and Islam.

[Aryan_]

When the West loses it's grip on African spirituality and these Africans begin to assert their own interpretations and expressions of Christian religion I think will be an interesting time.

Already happening vis-a-vis the Anglican church and the shirt lifters.

It would also be fruitful endeavor to examine the historical relations of the aformentioned old African Churches and Islam.

The Prophet and the Muslims were offered protection by the Aksumites in what Muslims call the first Hijra. Also the Muslim relations with the Kingdom of Dongola. Other than that, it has largely been a state of war against the infidels.

[Macaca]

I like the fact that when I go to the store everyone behind and in front of me is getting "merry christmas" but I'm not

I definitely don't like that greeting-I wonder if people say it out loud in public in Canada,too?

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Macaca

I definitely don't like that greeting-I wonder if people say it out loud in public in Canada,too?

Why do you wonder that? Of course we do.

[heba]

Originally Posted by Macaca

I like the fact that when I go to the store everyone behind and in front of me is getting "merry christmas" but I'm not

I definitely don't like that greeting-I wonder if people say it out loud in public in Canada,too?

whats wrong with saying merry christmas? i work in retail, people say it to me and i say it back all the time.

everyone needs to get a life. whether we like it or not, we like in a non-muslim country. if you dont wanna hear it or dont want to see it or experience anything that has to do with christmas, then move elsewhere.

my family decorates the house sometimes for eid. imagine if people started talkin sh-t about how we are a secular country and we shouldnt publicy celebrate our holiday. thered be an uproar.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by heba

whats wrong with saying merry christmas? i work in retail, people say it to me and i say it back all the time.

everyone needs to get a life. whether we like it or not, we like in a non-muslim country. if you dont wanna hear it or dont want to see it or experience anything that has to do with christmas, then move elsewhere.

my family decorates the house sometimes for eid. imagine if people started talkin sh-t about how we are a secular country and we shouldnt publicy celebrate our holiday. thered be an uproar.

I get merry christmas a lot too...i just say you too...its rude to ignore them..

[psychoteddybear]

Originally Posted by Variable

Just because it wasn't the actual date of birth of Jesus doesn't mean that it has nothing to do with Christianity. I don't think it's right to call people 'stupid' over how they celebrate their religion.

Well, alright, sorry. But what is Christian about Christmas besides the figurines people put up of baby Jesus, Mary, and Joseph and then the Mass ceremony...I'm being literal here. Christmas to me seems mostly aimed towards kids anyways.

anyways...it's still a nice time for people to get together and what not, but to tag it with a Christian label...well, whatever.
salam

[Variable]

Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

Well, alright, sorry. But what is Christian about Christmas besides the figurines people put up of baby Jesus, Mary, and Joseph and then the Mass ceremony...I'm being literal here. Christmas to me seems mostly aimed towards kids anyways.

anyways...it's still a nice time for people to get together and what not, but to tag it with a Christian label...well, whatever.
salam

Christmas is what you make it. I know a lot of Asian folks and Desi folks that celebrate it, although they aren't Christians. So if what you do is set up a tree, decorate with lights and reindeer on your lawn, and get together with family - then that's what it is to many.

The holiday itself however is most certainly Christian, it celebrates the birth of Jesus. It may be celebrated on different days throughout Christendom, but it's an important day to all Christians.

[kenneth]

YouTube - Zeitgeist - The Movie - 2 of 13 (Part 1 of 3 on Religion)

X-mas is nowhere sanctioned by biblical injunction. It is merely one more x-tian adaptation of pagan elements.

"it's what you make it..." please. such vagaries have been used to lull people into mindless adherence to empty traditions since time immemorial.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by kenneth

YouTube - Zeitgeist - The Movie - 2 of 13 (Part 1 of 3 on Religion)

X-mas is nowhere sanctioned by biblical injunction. It is merely one more x-tian adaptation of pagan elements.

"it's what you make it..." please. such vagaries have been used to lull people into mindless adherence to empty traditions since time immemorial.

Christianity isn't Islam... it's practices don't have to be sanctioned by 'biblical injunction'. It's Christian because Christians practice it to celebrate an important part of their religion. That's all.

And yeh it is what people make of it... for some it's all about the commercial bling, for others its a time for family and celebration, for others it's about religion. What aren't you getting here?

[kenneth]

so if your practices are not from the "word of god" then where do they come from?

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by kenneth

so if your practices are not from the "word of god" then where do they come from?

They come from Idol worship, because obviously modern Christians don't care if they worship Apollo....

Originally Posted by heba

whats wrong with saying merry christmas? i work in retail, people say it to me and i say it back all the time.

everyone needs to get a life. whether we like it or not, we like in a non-muslim country. if you dont wanna hear it or dont want to see it or experience anything that has to do with christmas, then move elsewhere.

my family decorates the house sometimes for eid. imagine if people started talkin sh-t about how we are a secular country and we shouldnt publicy celebrate our holiday. thered be an uproar.

Yet again the Arrogant howl of assimilation.

Muslims don't enjoin in pagan practices, we stay unique to our book, that's what keeps our faith unchanging.
If you want to enjoin in your biddah, go on ahead,

P.S.: Its a SECULAR Country....

P.S.S.: Christianity was deemed a non-religious holiday by the Supreme Court...so anyone can use it as they please...
Just because the supreme court says its not christian, doesn't mean we should celebrate it...Its still has a dark and UnGodly History...

Originally Posted by Variable

But they have... there's been Christianity in Africa as long as it's been in the West. And sub-Saharan Africa definitely has it's own flavours.

You can't even begin to compare the copts, god fearing Christians, to the products of western theology...

Africa was the Original home to Judaism...
Abyssinia was one of the first great christian nations...

The only people being sucked into the Mormon/Evangelical Vortex are the Pagan Tribes of Central and Southern Africa.
The North is inpenatrable