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No woman can feel safe unless the law is changed, activists says



Rania al-Jabiri (left) and NODW are trying to mobilise support

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Honour crime fear of Syria women

By Lina Sinjab
BBC News, Damascus


Seventeen-year-old Bushra is too scared to give her real name. She talks in a low, trembling voice, her face full of fear.

"They want to shed my blood, they want to kill me," she says, as she recounts how she escaped being murdered by members of her own family in a so-called "honour killing".

A Sunni Muslim, she had fallen in love with Fadel, from Syria's Alawite Muslim minority. He went to her family to ask for her hand in marriage, but he was rejected.

The family said Bushra must marry her cousin. But on their wedding day, she ran away with the man she loved and family members began to hunt her down, to "erase the dishonour" she had caused.

Bushra's story is not an exceptional one in Syria, where women's organisations estimate more than 200 women are murdered every year by brothers, cousins or fathers.

But she is one of the lucky ones. Bushra was arrested after her family reported her to the police, and taken into custody.

The juvenile centre where now lives gives her some protection, but her freedom of movement is severely limited.

'Rehabilitation'

The Syrian authorities are trying to crack down on the practice of "honour killing", and they have widespread support.

About 10,000 people have signed a petition calling for an end to the practice, in a campaign backed by senior Muslim officials.

Although Bushra has been in contact with the family, her eldest sister told her not to come back unless she married her cousin.

"She said: 'Even if you do (get married), hide for two or three months until things calm down. But don't come now, the family will definitely kill you'," Bushra tells me.

So she waits at the centre run by the National Organisation for the Development of Women (NODW) and the interior ministry, whose aim is to rehabilitate the girls and get them ready for a new life.

Many of them are serving sentences for vagrancy, prostitution, begging or running away.

But when they leave, they are still at risk, as the case of 16-year-old Zahra al-Ezzo tragically showed.

Zahra was kidnapped and raped by a family friend. The family reported the incident to the police and three days later the kidnapper, Taiseer Muhanna, was arrested and Zahra was freed.

He was sent into jail and she was brought to the juvenile centre, where she remained for 10 months until her family had her released after arranging that she marry her cousin.

One month later, Zahra's brother Fayez paid the young couple a visit. On the third morning of his stay, he murdered her while she was asleep.

"Zahra was a victim at the beginning and a victim at the end," says NODW head Rania al-Jabiri.

Her organisation is campaigning along with other groups for a change in the law. They have prepared a draft law which has been passed to parliament.

"We cannot do everything. We need the whole society with us to change this idea. It takes time and a change in mentality," she says.

It is an issue for all communities - Christian, Muslim and Druze - says Daed Musa, a lawyer and women's rights activist

"The laws are old and go back to the 1940s. No woman can feel safe under the current legislation."

Murders considered to have been in defence of honour are not considered a "crime" under Syrian law, but an "offence". It carries a maximum penalty of a year's imprisonment, but could be reduced to a month by a judge.

Some families entrust the task of erasing dishonour to a juvenile, further reducing the penalty.

Cultural change

After Zahra's death, the NODW renewed the campaign, circulating the petition and mobilising religious clerics to denounce the killing.

Syria's top Sunni cleric, Grand Mufti Sheikh Ahmad Hassoun, rejects any suggestion that "honour crime" is sanctioned by Islam.

He explains that Islamic law requires four witnesses for the crime of adultery - an almost impossibly high burden of proof, which means in effect that no-one can be found guilty of it.

The mufti believes, however, that the starting point should be in education and tolerance especially with religious preachers.

"It is difficult to change laws that people are used to it and considered it as Sharia. In many cases, it is traditions rather than laws," he says.

"What we need is to educate people and spread awareness among the society. The problem is when you have people preaching at mosques and don't have a profound knowledge on Islam."

No women can be protected of an act of killing unless legal changes are introduced. This will take political will to actually happen. Until then, women in Syria will still be at risk.
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Man I thought only South Asian/Afghan cultures were capable of being that f'd up; but guess now we gotta throw Arabs in the mix as well.

Moral of the story: If your from that part of the world your culture sucks, just follow the teachings of Islam and disregard any other societal behaviors.
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i think what he means is cultural practices. after all those jahil arabs had thier own culture, and it sure did suck.
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some practices are good, some arent. but the cultures themselves are just as good as any other
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some practices are good, some arent. but the cultures themselves are just as good as any other
shouldnt islam be your culture? didnt you arab nationalists learn anything from the disaster of that philosophy?
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islam is a religion not a culture. arab nationalism is a political ideology not a culture
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so are you saying that i have more in common with a dot head hindu than i do with you?
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culturally, yeah probably

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I was being half-sarcastic but all cultures do have their good and bad. However, my personal opinion is that anyone who places such a high emphasis on pointless traditions is overburdening themselves. Example: many South Asians/Afghans have this concept of Izzat, or a womens honor. Basically its like if a female family member does something the least bit wrong, the whole family gets a bad rep. That's basically why they call them "honor killings"; and its why the girl who was raped was killed by her own family member.

I mean seriously how retarded is that, its hard enough being a good Muslim/muslimah but when you expect someone to be a "good Pakistani boy/girl" or "Proper Indian" along with that your basically kicking them in the groin/punching them in the breast.

IMO, culture should just be geographical; Pakistani Culture should stay in Pakistan, Arab culture should stay in the Middle East. Islam is the only thing you should be bringing to a foreign land; or else your unnecessarily making it harder for yourself; thereby making it harder for you to integrate, thereby making it harder to do proper Dawah, thereby ruining the reputation of Muslims just because you can't dump leave your cultural baggage at the airport.

Only exception to the rule in the US at least are Native American and Hispanics; seeing as how we're technically indigenous to the land anyways. But if I was to move to a European country other than Spain/Portugal I'm not gonna carry excess cultural baggage with me.
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culturally, yeah probably

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hmmm then why did the founders of pakistan state 'hindus and muslims are two seperate religions, two seperate histories, two seperate ethos, two seperate values, and two seperate cultures'?
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I was being half-sarcastic but all cultures do have their good and bad. However, my personal opinion is that anyone who places such a high emphasis on pointless traditions is overburdening themselves. Example: many South Asians/Afghans have this concept of Izzat, or a womens honor. Basically its like if a female family member does something the least bit wrong, the whole family gets a bad rep. That's basically why they call them "honor killings"; and its why the girl who was raped was killed by her own family member.

I mean seriously how retarded is that, its hard enough being a good Muslim/muslimah but when you expect someone to be a "good Pakistani boy/girl" or "Proper Indian" along with that your basically kicking them in the groin/punching them in the breast.

IMO, culture should just be geographical; Pakistani Culture should stay in Pakistan, Arab culture should stay in the Middle East. Islam is the only thing you should be bringing to a foreign land; or else your unnecessarily making it harder for yourself; thereby making it harder for you to integrate, thereby making it harder to do proper Dawah, thereby ruining the reputation of Muslims just because you can't dump leave your cultural baggage at the airport.

Only exception to the rule in the US at least are Native American and Hispanics; seeing as how we're technically indigenous to the land anyways. But if I was to move to a European country other than Spain/Portugal I'm not gonna carry excess cultural baggage with me.
absolutly correct, but how are hispanics indegenous, when your white skin makes you part european? have you seen argetinians? those people are blonde hair and blue eyes. i think everyone should leave thier cultural baggage at the airport. im not talking about certain traditions, or costumes or food or anything like that, but certain local customs ya have no place in islam.
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The parts that are incompatible with Islam do suck.
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absolutly correct, but how are hispanics indegenous, when your white skin makes you part european? have you seen argetinians? those people are blonde hair and blue eyes. i think everyone should leave thier cultural baggage at the airport. im not talking about certain traditions, or costumes or food or anything like that, but certain local customs ya have no place in islam.
Well technically Mestizo would be the appropriate term, having a mix of Spanish and AmerIndian blood. However either way I feel I can consider myself indeginous because Mexicans have been living in several Western territories before they became a part of the United States. Examples are the Chicanos is Cali and the Tejanos in Texas, both were ruled by Spain and then for a short time Mexico before becoming US states.

I agree with everything else you said; I personally have never lived in Mexico so when it comes to identity I would have to identify first as Muslim, second as American, and third as Mex/Pak (father is Caucasian/Paki). In other words I feel religion ought to come first, nationality second, and race/ethnicity absolutely last. Unfortunately a large percentage of the world chooses to put race/ethnicity first which never leads to anything good.
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absolutly correct, but how are hispanics indegenous, when your white skin makes you part european? have you seen argetinians? those people are blonde hair and blue eyes.
Hispanic is one of those messy terms that I'd say has more to do with the language than racial background. Most Latinos are mixed, some are a lot European and a little indigenous, and vice versa. Unfortunately that difference isn't benign, that spectrum plays a big part in class distribution unfortunately. You can almost point to someone in say southern Mexico or Guatemala and decide who is wealthy and who isn't based on how 'indeginous' someone looks. They're all hispanic though.
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