[GOTFIVEONIT]

pakistan has alot of problems with militants. ethnic militants, such as the baluchis or the mqm, and religious militants of course.but its been like that for years, if not decades, long before musharraf stepped onto the scene. this is just a weak excuse of a dictator trying to hold on to power. gen mushy didnt impose martial law because of the taliban, he did so to solidify his power, in shades that echos general zia. gen. mushy is himself a student of zia, and has done pretty much the same policies as gen zia. gen mushy didnt want to shed his uniform, and that combined with the fact the supreme court was probably going to rule that he couldnt stand in elections again, are the main causes behind this latest martial law. he figured the americans wont do anything to him, since they need pak's bases to fight in afghanistan, in the same way they propped up gen zia 20 years earlier.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

November 06, 2007 Tuesday Shawwal 24, 1428

Demonstration in UK

By Our Special Correspondent

LONDON, Nov 5: A highly charged two-hour long protest rally was held in front of the Pakistan High Commission on Monday. Organised by the students studying in various colleges and universities of the UK, including Oxford, Cambridge, London School of Economics (LSC) and School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) plus a number of lawyers associations, the demonstration raised vociferous slogans against what they called Gen Musharraf’s second martial law and the continued military rule in the country.

They condemned the police baton-charge and tear-gas shelling on peaceful rallies in Lahore, Karachi, and Rawalpindi and other towns and cities of the country.

Ms Hina Jilani of Human Rights Commission, a local leader of Tehrik-i-Insaf and a senior journalist addressed the protest rally. One of the students recited poems from Faiz and Jalib.

Most Pakistanis and Pakistani origin Britons at the rally talking to Dawn condemned the imposition of emergency in the country and called for Gen Musharraf to go home immediately.

No political party flags except those of the TI were visible at the rally.



November 06, 2007 Tuesday Shawwal 24, 1428

Canadians advised not to visit Pakistan


By Latafat Ali Siddiqui

OTTAWA, Nov 5: Canada has advised its citizens not to travel to Pakistan because of the situation in the wake of imposition of state of emergency. Those already in the country have been asked to keep a low profile.

In its latest travel advisory, the Canadian foreign affairs ministry said a state of emergency was declared in Pakistan on Nov 3 and, therefore, Canadians in Pakistan should be especially vigilant and avoid public gatherings and demonstrations. They should also monitor local news reports, follow the advice of local authorities and contact consular officers in case of emergency.

It reminded Canadians that there had been attacks in Pakistan perpetrated by extremists and related to sectarian strife, regional political disputes and the situation in Afghanistan. The attacks, which had caused many deaths and injuries, had occurred in hotels, markets, public transportation, at religious sites, at airports and other public areas.

It also mentioned former prime minister Benazir Bhutto’s arrival in Karachi on Oct 18 and said that despite tight security measures, two bomb explosions caused over 125 deaths and a left large number of people injured.

Meanwhile, Canadian Defence Minister Peter MacKay and his cabinet colleague Maxime Bernier condemned the imposition of emergency rule and said the current situation in the country was adding to instability in the region.

“We’re very concerned in regard to the stability, in regard to the impact it will have on regional security,” Mr MacKay said.

[sixpakistan]

Musharraf and Bhutto in a strange way kind of remind me of Rudolph Giuliani and Hillary Clinton.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Musharraf and Bhutto in a strange way kind of remind me of Rudolph Giuliani and Hillary Clinton.

I read an article in one of the English Pakistani newspapers about how strange it is that all other PPP people have been arrested but her. She, the top dog, is allowed to roam freely. The article made some implications that she and Musharaff are in this together, so that she can arrange for herself to rule the country without general elections... which she could very well lose.

[pakmansc300]

Why do people even support Bhutto? Two times she has been in office and both times she left due to corruption charges. How is this lady supposed to bring democracy back? I'm no Musharraf supporter either. Every leader in Pakistan has been corrupt, maybe except for Jinnah. Also isn't it true that Jinnah wanted Pakistan to emulate Turkey?

[shsh]

Originally Posted by pakmansc300

Why do people even support Bhutto? Two times she has been in office and both times she left due to corruption charges. How is this lady supposed to bring democracy back?

yeah...how does she even come up with the idea to run again? bizarre.

[sixpakistan]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

The article made some implications that she and Musharaff are in this together, so that she can arrange for herself to rule the country without general elections... which she could very well lose.

Yeah, a lot of people are just assuming that off the bat. It's probably true.. Musharraf and Bhutto are both corrupt, power-hungry, and generally worthless.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by shsh

yeah...how does she even come up with the idea to run again? bizarre.

Obviously the millions she imbelezed last two times she was in office went up her nose, and she needs some more dope. How to get more money? Dupe the people of Pakistani into electing her again.

Not that she necessarily has to be a drug addict, but I can't think of another way you would run out of that much money so fast.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by pakmansc300

Why do people even support Bhutto? Two times she has been in office and both times she left due to corruption charges. How is this lady supposed to bring democracy back? I'm no Musharraf supporter either. Every leader in Pakistan has been corrupt, maybe except for Jinnah. Also isn't it true that Jinnah wanted Pakistan to emulate Turkey?

those "corruption charges" are just a tag, it can be taken off by whoever is the authority

[pakmansc300]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

those "corruption charges" are just a tag, it can be taken off by whoever is the authority

Yea, but she was in office two times and it happened twice.

[hockeychicka]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

Canadians advised not to visit Pakistan


By Latafat Ali Siddiqui

OTTAWA, Nov 5: Canada has advised its citizens not to travel to Pakistan because of the situation in the wake of imposition of state of emergency. Those already in the country have been asked to keep a low profile.

In its latest travel advisory, the Canadian foreign affairs ministry said a state of emergency was declared in Pakistan on Nov 3 and, therefore, Canadians in Pakistan should be especially vigilant and avoid public gatherings and demonstrations. They should also monitor local news reports, follow the advice of local authorities and contact consular officers in case of emergency.

It reminded Canadians that there had been attacks in Pakistan perpetrated by extremists and related to sectarian strife, regional political disputes and the situation in Afghanistan. The attacks, which had caused many deaths and injuries, had occurred in hotels, markets, public transportation, at religious sites, at airports and other public areas.

It also mentioned former prime minister Benazir Bhutto’s arrival in Karachi on Oct 18 and said that despite tight security measures, two bomb explosions caused over 125 deaths and a left large number of people injured.

Meanwhile, Canadian Defence Minister Peter MacKay and his cabinet colleague Maxime Bernier condemned the imposition of emergency rule and said the current situation in the country was adding to instability in the region.

“We’re very concerned in regard to the stability, in regard to the impact it will have on regional security,” Mr MacKay said.

thank goodness my mom came back last week!

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by hockeychicka

thank goodness my mom came back last week!

I hope it calms down by mid december

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by pakmansc300

Why do people even support Bhutto? Two times she has been in office and both times she left due to corruption charges. How is this lady supposed to bring democracy back? I'm no Musharraf supporter either. Every leader in Pakistan has been corrupt, maybe except for Jinnah. Also isn't it true that Jinnah wanted Pakistan to emulate Turkey?

because most of the sindhis back her, after all she is a sindhi herself. her ancestoral hometown is after all larkana. then she has the nice ppp slogan that daddy zulfiqar came up with 'kana, kapra aur makan'. then she portrays herself as pakistan's indira gandhi and even says how her father told her that. she uses her fathers legacy to propel herself to power as if she were royalty, and desis sure love their royalty. its not like these people came up from the bottom, they hail from a long tradition of politics, her own grandfather was active in the pakistan movement, and was a nawab who served as wazir to the sultan of junaghar, which pakistan failed to get during partition. but its probably correct, benazir or 'aap ki bhen' LOL, wants to rule without winning elections because she knows she could not win on her own, and there's already a law saying that a person cannot serve as prime minister more than two times, something she is trying to get around. this isnt mentioned much and they asked her about this, and she said she will take it up with the courts.

and let's not forget she is also a hypocrite. in her younger years, like in her 30's, she campaigned hard against general zia. even to the point that she is still living in those days. she even claimed that the recent bombing attempt on her life just a few weeks were in fact the work of... general zia's men! people working for general zia!

someone needs to tell 'aap ki bhen' that didi benzair, general zia died nearly 20 years ago, in a helicopter crash, that had two american generals on board. i mean she portrayed herself as someone who was 'campaigning for democracy' as someone who was 'standing up against a military dictator and army rule', yet here she is in league with another dictator, simply because his arch-nemesis is now nawaz sharif, who was an army boy himself. i mean this guy was brought in by the military, he had the backing of the military way back in the early 90's. but the man grew too power hungry himself, which got him into trouble with them in the first place. he sacked three army chief's of staff before he tried to go after general mushy. but he messed with the wrong dude there. general zia was general mushy's mentor. in fact general zia promoted mushy to general in the first place. most of mushy's policies have echoed general zia. its as if history is repeating itself all over again.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

"hey the paki's did it, let's do it too!"





Riot police broke up opposition protests in central Tbilisi



Mr Saakashvili has rejected the allegations of corruption

Last Updated: Wednesday, 7 November 2007, 22:34 GMT

Georgia under state of emergency

Georgia's President Mikhail Saakashvili has declared a 15-day, nationwide state of emergency after police broke up a sixth day of opposition protests.

In a televised address, Prime Minister Zurab Nogaideli said a coup attempt had been made.

Mr Saakashvili earlier said "Russian special services" were behind the unrest in Georgia.

Mr Saakashvili has rejected the protesters' accusations of corruption and says he will not quit.

The prime minister initially announced a state of emergency in the capital Tbilisi for 48 hours, but that was later extended to the whole country for 15 days.

The emergency measures include a ban on street protests and independent television stations, the Georgian Economics Minister Georgy Arveladze said in a statement.

Earlier in the day, police had used water cannon, tear gas and batons to break up opposition protests outside parliament.

Officials said 500 people had sought medical treatment, most to be treated for the effects of tear gas.

The White House said it was "concerned" by the unrest in Georgia, the AFP news agency reported.

"We are concerned about the reports from Georgia. We urge that any protests be peaceful and that both sides refrain from violence," US national security council spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

Diplomatic expulsions

Speaking before he declared a state of emergency, Mr Saakashvili said his country faced "a very serious threat of unrest".

"High ranking officials in Russian special services are behind this," he said, adding that he had evidence.

He said several Russian diplomats would be expelled from Georgia for engaging in "espionage".

Earlier he had recalled Georgia's ambassador to Moscow for "consultations".

Moscow has called his allegations irresponsible and said any expulsion of Russian diplomats would be followed by an "adequate response".

The foreign ministry said the remarks were "anti-Russian hysteria".

Police used tear gas and water cannon after several thousand protesters tried to occupy Rustaveli Avenue - Tbilisi's main thoroughfare.

The protesters say the police response demonstrates Mr Saakashvili's authoritarian tendencies but police said they had to unblock the capital's main road.

The main opposition television station has gone off air. Just before, a presenter said police special forces had entered the building.

Opposition supporters have been gathering outside parliament every day since Friday, when 50,000 people attended the largest street protest seen since the 2003 "Rose Revolution" that brought pro-Western Mr Saakashvili to power.

The protesters accuse him of corruption and of not doing enough to tackle poverty.

They are calling for the president's resignation and a fresh election.

Many of the protesters back the president's former ally, Irakli Okruashvili, who was arrested last month shortly after he said Mr Saakashvili had plotted to kill a top businessman.

He was later released on a multimillion-dollar bail and went to Germany. The government says Mr Okruashvili's accusations are "false and baseless".