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I don't know if anyone has heard of the following case, but it is very disturbing.... Unfortunately, there are a lot of elected officials out there who behave in such an unprofessional and bigoted manner.

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At least 2 dozen Okla. lawmakers to return copies of Quran

By The Associated Press
10.25.07

OKLAHOMA CITY — The number of Oklahoma lawmakers who plan to return copies of the Quran to a state panel on diversity climbed to at least 24 yesterday after a Tulsa-area legislator claimed the Muslim holy book condones the killing of innocent people.

The books were given to Oklahoma's 149 senators and representatives by the Governor's Ethnic American Advisory Council.

"Most Oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children in the name of ideology," state Rep. Rex Duncan said.

He said yesterday that he had researched the Quran on the Internet and believed it supports such killing.

"That's exactly what it says," Duncan said. "I think it's pretty straightforward. By their own admission, those are the exact words. They don't all practice that."

Duncan, R-Sand Springs, first expressed his feelings about the Quran in an Oct. 22 letter to colleagues.

Marjaneh Seirafi-Pour, chairwoman of the council and a Muslim, said she continued to be disappointed by Duncan's assessment of Islam.

She said some sites on the Internet that talk about the Quran "appear to be authentic but they are not done by Muslims. They are done by people who want to devalue Islam."

She earlier criticized Duncan's reference to Islam as an ideology. "That is not a fact. It is a religion. It is very peaceful, very inclusive," she said.

Seirafi-Pour said yesterday that one reason the decision was made to distribute the Quran was to give lawmakers accurate information.

"I still hope to go to the offices and shake their hands and tell them about all the projects and programs we do," she said.

She said some members of her council also are members of an FBI-sponsored outreach program to "build bridges" between law enforcement and the Muslim community.

"We are in constant communication with FBI agents and police departments in Edmond, Oklahoma City and Norman," she said. "They have requested our assistance in different programs and we have been willing to go and share our culture with them."

In Washington, spokesman Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Duncan's statement was "disturbing" and "offensive" to Muslims.

"It just points to the amount of education about Islam and the American Muslim community that is needed in all levels in our society, including elected officials," Hooper said.

Not all lawmakers said they were returning the gift.

Republican House Speaker Lance Cargill is accepting the gift, but issued a statement saying that "as a measure of goodwill" he would present the council with a copy of the Centennial edition of the Bible given to legislators earlier this year by Oklahoma Baptists.

"While the majority of Americans are Christians, the Constitution clearly protects people's right to practice their faith and distribute religious materials," Cargill said.

"What's sad is that so often when the situation is reversed, Islamic governments persecute and torture Christians who attempt to practice and spread their faith," he added.

He said he hoped the council "will join me in condemning those countries that don't grant the same freedoms to Christians."

Senate President Pro Tem Mike Morgan, a Democrat, said he personally found the gift from the council as "a sincere attempt at cultural and spiritual understanding and I appreciate the unique rights of Oklahoma citizens, guaranteed under the Constitution, to share their beliefs in a healthy, academic and respectful manner."

Seirafi-Pour estimated between 30,000 and 50,000 Muslims live in Oklahoma.
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Here's another lawmaker--this one actually represents me--who did something along the same lines earlier this year:

Senator boycotts imam's prayer | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Texas Southwest

When I wrote him a polite letter disagreeing with his actions, suggesting that he should keep in mind that he represents ALL people in his constituency, he wrote me back the following letter (over FOUR MONTHS later...):

Thank you for your letter regarding my decision to not participate in the Muslim prayer in the Senate Chamber.

My first act as a member of the Texas Senate was to permanently place the creed, "In God We Trust" over the Senate Chamber and above the Lieutenant Governor's podium. This is intended to remind all of my fellow Senators that all governments are built upon God's shoulders and our actions should reflect our state's Judeo Christian values. With this creed in mind, I could not participate in a prayer to a god other than the one true God.

Although our nation does not discriminate against other faiths or cultures, and our diversity has made our nation great, variety cannot supplant the importance of our Christian heritage. Thanks again for your letter and please feel free to contact this office in the future regarding this or any issue.

May God bless,
Dan Patrick
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Although our nation does not discriminate against other faiths or cultures, and our diversity has made our nation great, variety cannot supplant the importance of our Christian heritage.
in other words, you're welcome to live here but keep your culture and creed to yourselves
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Shows how ignorant our elected officials are. See if you can reply back or invite him to an open discussion about Islam at your mosque.

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The God of muslims is also the God of jews, christians, hindus, and everyone else.
The Quran is to be read with the context, the same can be said for the bible. I can pick and choose the verses in bible that advocate violence towards women and children and much more.
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Shows how ignorant our elected officials are. See if you can reply back or invite him to an open discussion about Islam at your mosque.
I was thinking that at first, but then I read his biography on Wikipedia:

Dan Patrick (politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Turns out he's one of those conservative radio hosts, and most likely got elected on the strength of his Evangelical Christian listener base. Also, he was the one who first "discovered" Rush Limbaugh. So, politically, I guess it makes sense that he would boycott the Muslim prayer, in order to earn brownie points with his base.

I was thinking of writing an editorial and submitting it to the Chronicle, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Not too sure how familiar these people are with their nation's history, but it was filled with non-Christians and non-Jews before they came.

History repeats itself, so what goes around comes around.
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I'm suprised to find that anyone is suprised by this.
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Here's another lawmaker--this one actually represents me--who did something along the same lines earlier this year:

Senator boycotts imam's prayer | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Texas Southwest

When I wrote him a polite letter disagreeing with his actions, suggesting that he should keep in mind that he represents ALL people in his constituency, he wrote me back the following letter (over FOUR MONTHS later...):

Thank you for your letter regarding my decision to not participate in the Muslim prayer in the Senate Chamber.

My first act as a member of the Texas Senate was to permanently place the creed, "In God We Trust" over the Senate Chamber and above the Lieutenant Governor's podium. This is intended to remind all of my fellow Senators that all governments are built upon God's shoulders and our actions should reflect our state's Judeo Christian values. With this creed in mind, I could not participate in a prayer to a god other than the one true God.

Although our nation does not discriminate against other faiths or cultures, and our diversity has made our nation great, variety cannot supplant the importance of our Christian heritage. Thanks again for your letter and please feel free to contact this office in the future regarding this or any issue.

May God bless,
Dan Patrick
I followed this when it happened. I am not surprised but still even the letter is very mean.
At the end he says MAY GOD BLESS?! My question is who? Why there is no 'you' at the end? Is this like a bumpersticker God bless US? Does he mean God Bless christians only? I might be wrong but to the missing 'you' seems intentional. If he hadn't mean to mention GOD he could just have said smth like sincerely, yours, etc.
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Shows how ignorant our elected officials are. See if you can reply back or invite him to an open discussion about Islam at your mosque.

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The God of muslims is also the God of jews, christians, hindus, and everyone else.
The Quran is to be read with the context, the same can be said for the bible. I can pick and choose the verses in bible that advocate violence towards women and children and much more.
Women in Islam
Maybe, but now take a look around the world and decide under which religion violence to women and children and indeed violence in general is most practised
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He said yesterday that he had researched the Quran on the Internet and believed it supports such killing.

"That's exactly what it says," Duncan said. "I think it's pretty straightforward. By their own admission, those are the exact words. They don't all practice that."
ok so he doesnt even try to read the quran for himself, by 'researches' on the World Wise Web?

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Maybe, but now take a look around the world and decide under which religion violence to women and children and indeed violence in general is most practised
The 'religion' of desires

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I followed this when it happened. I am not surprised but still even the letter is very mean.
At the end he says MAY GOD BLESS?! My question is who? Why there is no 'you' at the end? Is this like a bumpersticker God bless US? Does he mean God Bless christians only? I might be wrong but to the missing 'you' seems intentional. If he hadn't mean to mention GOD he could just have said smth like sincerely, yours, etc.
Since it took him 4 months to reply, he probably spent a lot of time crafting the letter to be as offensive as possible without being "too" offensive (i.e. causing him to get kicked out of office)
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Maybe, but now take a look around the world and decide under which religion violence to women and children and indeed violence in general is most practised
Hmmm. So violence in the West is Islamic in nature too? Is Violence limited to us Muslims? I think not.
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The cost of my desire
Jesus blessed me with its future
And I protect it with fire
So raise your fists
And march around
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Ill jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
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Im deep inside your children
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The lie is my expense
The scope of desire
The party blessed me with its future
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Although our nation does not discriminate against other faiths or cultures, and our diversity has made our nation great, variety cannot supplant the importance of our Christian heritage. Thanks again for your letter and please feel free to contact this office in the future regarding this or any issue.

May God bless,
Dan Patrick[/indent][/i]
Mmm hmm... I wander what some of the Founding Fathers would say to him considering their firm stance against a denominational element within the government.
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[quote=Revert;30311]Hmmm.
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So violence in the West is Islamic in nature too?

Not said by me



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not said by me.

It's rather pathertic when you have to put words into my mouth in order to try to make a point