[Timbit]

AbuAbdullah: Yeah, okay. So somebody wearing a shalwar kameez shouldn't be allowed at the masjid? Shalwar kameezes are pretty modest actually.

Tariq: I didn't say not to start a debate. I said this isn't the particular debate I wanted to start. I didn't want to open this can of worms. You know, about whether hijab is required or not. If you've been on Islamica for a while, then you know we've had more than enough of those.

Purdah isn't about staying in your home. She's a politician; obviously, she can't sit at home. But she is covering herself in the way that Muslim women of that culture do. And her dupatta's not sheer or see-through.

And about those local imams: I wouldn't scoff at them. Everybody has a different person they learn their Islam from and in Pakistan, you're gonna learn it from your parents/family and from the local imams. They are highly influential.

I'm not assuming what a hijab is. I'm telling you what hijab is for many, many Muslim women in south-Asia.
My mom dresses that way and I wouldn't say she's not practicing hijab or purdah.

[TariqBinSleepin]

Timbit: what does that mean? So we should disregard what the Quran says? I mean ya those IMAM's im sure have done study. Im not scoffing them, im just saying, theres soo MUCh shirk going on in INDIA/PAKISTAN, and culure? We shouldn't follow OUR culture rather what the Quran / Sunnah says. Islam came to destroy Tribalism not promote it. If the half Hijab Dupatta thing is a Cultural thing...well it's wrong then. Period.

[hockeychicka]

just saw on ary that there was a bomb or something that hit one of cars that she was in.. but she was not in it..cause it already droped her off at her house..

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[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

If the half Hijab Dupatta thing is a Cultural thing...well it's wrong then. Period.

in a literalist interpretation, yea, but we dont follow that.

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

in a literalist interpretation, yea, but we dont follow that.

literalist term? What do you mean we dont follow it. So you read a hadith and pick and chose the parts you like? Same with the quran...thats exactly what your not suppose to do >.<""

[WarriorAndWiseman]

Those bombs killed more than a hundred people. It's so sad. Pakistan is locked in downward spiral.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by Timbit

How come you dismiss them like that?

I don't know any Pakistani scholars, but when I went to Pakistan, the imams in my village didn't have a problem with how the women dressed. In shalwar kameezes and dupattas/chadors.

sigh....imams in villages...

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

in a literalist interpretation, yea, but we dont follow that.

Who's WE ?....

Literalism in Islamic context means those who reject Hadith...I don't think he rejects hadith so how can you accuse him of literalism ?

[MossadConspiracy]

The title of this topic now has added significance

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

The title of this topic now has added significance

Yup...

It would be a TRULY grand welcome if the greedy power hungry b dared to visit western punjab or pukhtunkhwa...then she'd see exactly how 'nationwide' her 'national' party was....

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

Wear hijab in the Arab way? o.O. There is actually NO contradiction / doubt within the muslims regarding WHAT is a hijab covering. The hijab is mentioned 7 times in the Quran and their are two different things, Hijab and Khimar. Im sure a sister in here would better explain this than me >_> but ya....hijab means covering the hair and the bossom, but does not speak of the FAce, because there have been incidents during the Prophet (PBUH) time regarding this issue. But to say that Hijab is a Arab thing...

Who is quoting Wahabi Fanatics? Islam is a religion of Moderationg, its right in the middle. Im not trying to preach anything, but dont just say random crap. Got5

its the truth, because only wahabis hold puritanical beliefs. and thats not bashing them, thats a fact. wahabis will agree with that statement. like timbit said, there is nothing wrong with a dupatta, its just as islamically correct as a full hijab is. once again the verses you speak of, is also again subject to interpretation.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

literalist term? What do you mean we dont follow it. So you read a hadith and pick and chose the parts you like? Same with the quran...thats exactly what your not suppose to do >.<""

literalist as in the way wahabi's believe. benazir's hair is covered. if part of is revealing, it doesnt make it 'unislamic'. thats only wahabi interpretation. just because your people believe this, doesnt mean we all have to start believeing it got it?

[Abdul_Karim]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

its the truth, because only wahabis hold puritanical beliefs. and thats not bashing them, thats a fact. wahabis will agree with that statement. like timbit said, there is nothing wrong with a dupatta, its just as islamically correct as a full hijab is. once again the verses you speak of, is also again subject to interpretation.

Here we go with the "Wahhabi" canard. This hijab issue has nothing to do with being a "Wahhabi" and everything to do with the unanimous view of the four madhhabs of Ahl us-Sunnah. The Hanafis (who, in the Indian subcontinent are the majority) insist on women covering their hair, as do the rest.

Of course, you named yourself after an old Luniz song about smoking weed. That might explain something.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by LEGALEAGLE

Literalism in Islamic context means those who reject Hadith...

not from what i understand, the way i've learned it, literalism means taking the meaning of hadiths literally without interpreting the cultural context

Originally Posted by TariqBinSleepin

Same with the quran...thats exactly what your not suppose to do >.<""

thats fine if that's your methodology, but its not the one i follow

from what i understand, islam was revealed in a strict cultural context of the hijaz, and if its not re-interpreted by the scholars for their own time and place, well then you're imposing a culture of a different time and place on your people, thats a form of cultural imperialism and any ideology that does not allow people of a particular time and place to live their own way of life deprives them of self determination and that ideology will fail.

Here's something to ponder on, Islam is supposed to establish justice, fairness and equilibrium, yet every islamic society where there are strong islamic movements(egypt, pakistan, palestine, turkey etc) is split in to two groups of people, islamists and modernists. Where's the equilibrium? Where's the balance? How do muslims plan on establishing khilafa or any kind of unity when half of the ummah is marginalized? And then, countries where there is perpetual uniformity(Iran, Saudi Arabia) are authoritarian and oppressive. How do you establish islam without preserving human dignity?

Fortunately, traditional Islam has been grand and expansive and it allows people to practice in their own capacity and allows people to practice their culture. So while the "Pakistani" hijab is not allegedly perfect, its modest and serves the purpose. As a matter of fact, the pakistani woman wearing shalwar kameez and dupatta are more modest in appearance than the Arabs that wear tight hijab along with tight clothes.

Traditional scholars look at hijab as a concept and not a piece of cloth.

Read this for your own elightenment: http://www.nawawi.org/downloads/article3.pdf
and this is good too: YouTube - Hijaab! Hijaab! Hijaab!! Let's hear Shaykh Hamza Yusuf . . .

[TariqBinSleepin]

Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

Here we go with the "Wahhabi" canard. This hijab issue has nothing to do with being a "Wahhabi" and everything to do with the unanimous view of the four madhhabs of Ahl us-Sunnah. The Hanafis (who, in the Indian subcontinent are the majority) insist on women covering their hair, as do the rest.

Of course, you named yourself after an old Luniz song about smoking weed. That might explain something.

Right on bro