Ban the Burqa

[roberto]

ChotooMotoo said

and you blame the burqa for this? a piece of fabric is responsible?

No it was you who, rather stupidly, associated dress code with the functionality of societies.

[wheelworks]

roberto said

No it was you who, rather stupidly, associated dress code with the functionality of societies.

Teehee Robbie and Girliepower posting in the same thread

[SheikYerbouti]

roberto said

No it was you who, rather stupidly, associated dress code with the functionality of societies.

no u and girlpower did it chotoomotoo just called u on u r stupidity u can see your quoted post yourself

[zeyneddine]

wheelworks said

When women wear bikinis, they turn into sex objects instead of a human being with an intellect. When they wear the hijab or burqa, there is a certain form of dignity they get and people start looking at them as someone with a brain instead of just an object. If you look at them as someone oppressed then you're just biased.

Sorry to argue on this point, but the whole "burqa restores dignity in women" and "burqa doesnt make woman into sex objects" is a dysfunctional argument. Is personality only exhibited with you're fully clothed head to toe?

Why doesnt anyone raise the argument that its simply mandated by religion to wear the burqa, and that is how I choose to practice my beliefs?

And to be fair, non-Muslim women dont choose to live in Saudi Arabia and other Middle-Eastern countries where their personal freedoms are restricted. Same can be adopted by the women in France. If practicing religion becomes too difficult for them, migrate to a place where they can practice much easier. Thats also stated in religion.

[fatimasufi]

why do muslim woman get judged about what they can wear, i mean telling them they can't wear hijab or the burqa it's self and other woman will not be judge even if they make thenseleves naked. it's okay to be naked and not okay to be cover?

[zeyneddine]

fatimasufi said

why do muslim woman get judged about what they can wear, i mean telling them they can't wear hijab or the burqa it's self and other woman will not be judge even if they make thenseleves naked. it's okay to be naked and not okay to be cover?

actually its not okay to be naked. If laws can be made for not being naked outside, a country has the choice to make a law of what cannot be worn outside. It is fair game, whether Muslim "sentiments" are hurt or not.

[Cucumber09]

This is actually a secondary or even tertiary issue...people who have problems with the burka or beards, or polygamy, etc. they fail to realize that before modesty, being dignified, and preventing temptations, women wear the burka to please their Lord...(tawhid)...Why? because it is a commandment from their Lord to dress modestly and one of the many ways to do that is by wearing the burka....so as much as the try to argue over these so-called issues, their main problem is not with what we wear, rather the core of the problem is tawhid for them. If they understood that a Muslim lives and dies for Allah and lives according to HIS terms, NOT those they set for themselves or that the society or whatever backward minded leader sets.

I attended the Bayyinah Class yesterday (and it was beyond awesome! ) and the teacher gave an example of how when you're in NYC, which is basically a concrete jungle and you see a blade of grass coming out of the cracks of the sidewalk. It's almost like an eyesore, as though it should be plucked out. The reality is that, that piece of grass is actually the only natural thing that belongs there. That's how everything is now. Islam is what belongs but it is seen as something that should be plucked out.

[zeyneddine]

Cucumber09 said

This is actually a secondary or even tertiary issue...people who have problems with the burka or beards, or polygamy, etc. they fail to realize that before modesty, being dignified, and preventing temptations, women wear the burka to please their Lord...(tawhid)...Why? because it is a commandment from their Lord to dress modestly and one of the many ways to do that is by wearing the burka....so as much as the try to argue over these so-called issues, their main problem is not with what we wear, rather the core of the problem is tawhid for them. If they understood that a Muslim lives and dies for Allah and lives according to HIS terms, NOT those they set for themselves or that the society or whatever backward minded leader sets.

I attended the Bayyinah Class yesterday (and it was beyond awesome! ) and the teacher gave an example of how when you're in NYC, which is basically a concrete jungle and you see a blade of grass coming out of the cracks of the sidewalk. It's almost like an eyesore, as though it should be plucked out. The reality is that, that piece of grass is actually the only natural thing that belongs there. That's how everything is now. Islam is what belongs but it is seen as something that should be plucked out.

why are you copying me?

[Cucumber09]

zeyneddine said

why are you copying me?

i only read the first post before replying...
and your post was not about Tauhid...

[Skinwalker]

ChotooMotoo said

You have some weird fetishes. Asians, bondage, and public nudity

Iran and Saudi Arabia have laws that women must dress a certain way, all women. Even foreign women visiting have to dress a certain way. Since they require it of all women, it's not discrimination. Sure, it infringes on personal freedom the same way Frances ban on burqa infringes on personal freedom (ironic since France touts personal freedom as one of the best things about it's society), but it's not discriminatory.

School uniforms, kids going to school have to dress a certain way or they just aren't allowed to go out. Since everyone has to dress that way, it's not discrimination.

Let's end discrimination. I say we make everyone wear a burqa. I don't want to see your ugly jiggle butt.

Sorry, you know I love you, but I disagree with your statement about the burqa not being discriminatory. Demanding women wear it and not men is discrimination in itself.

I do however agree with you that all should wear the burqa. If women have to pay such a high price for modesty, so should men.

Kaminyu said

Why is it necessary to see someone's face at all times? It isn't, and is really only necessary for identification purposes. If they want to cover their faces, that's their right to do so. Some places may require that your face be visible, but that's different. Walking down the street with your face covered is the right of the individual.

Isn't it obvious? If the culture you are living in prizes the value of the face, then you do likewise. When in Rome after all......

[Jaysh]

We were sent to remind Ahl al-Kitab what is in their own religious books.

[Skinwalker]

fatimasufi said

why do muslim woman get judged about what they can wear, i mean telling them they can't wear hijab or the burqa it's self and other woman will not be judge even if they make thenseleves naked. it's okay to be naked and not okay to be cover?

Now that all depends on your culture. there are many societies where nakedness is deemed the norm.

[nooni]

Skinwalker said

Sorry, you know I love you, but I disagree with your statement about the burqa not being discriminatory. Demanding women wear it and not men is discrimination in itself.

Skinwalker said

Now that all depends on your culture. there are many societies where nakedness is deemed the norm.

with all due respect, anyone who disagrees that women are not used/seen as sex objects A LOT more than men in any society is living in a dream. even if men were commanded to wear hijab/burqa the same as women... it would not change the fact that women would still be seen as more sexually appealing beings.

the proof is in the khaleeji regions (or gulf arab states such as saudi, bahrain, etc) women wear long black dresses and men wear long white dresses, and for the most part, men have their hair covered with the hatha/kiffayah (the checkered scarfs). another example are the tuareg tribes in saharan dessert of Algeria where the men and the women cover everything but their eyes... the women are still seen as the most sexually appealing being.

even in societies where nakedness is deemed the norm for both men and women (US and europe), women are used/seen as sexual objects, not men. so if one extreme (US and europe) allows men and women to be naked and yet still have the women be more sexually appealing, how would another extreme (the muslim world) be any different in having both genders cover?

this is why hijab is commanded for women, alot more than men... its not discrimination, its pure FACT that the beauty of woman far exceeds the beauty of man. sure there are good looking man out there, but they dont get a second look the way a beautiful woman will (from both men and women)

[Variable]

nooni said

with all due respect, anyone who disagrees that women are not used/seen as sex objects A LOT more than men in any society is living in a dream. even if men were commanded to wear hijab/burqa the same as women... it would not change the fact that women would still be seen as more sexually appealing beings.

the proof is in the khaleeji regions (or gulf arab states such as saudi, bahrain, etc) women wear long black dresses and men wear long white dresses, and for the most part, men have their hair covered with the hatha/kiffayah (the checkered scarfs). another example are the tuareg tribes in saharan dessert of Algeria where the men and the women cover everything but their eyes... the women are still seen as the most sexually appealing being.

Actually the Tuareg men cover their faces at all times, and the women don't. But how do you know women are considered more sexually appealing? It may be the case for some women to find other women sexually appealing, but I don't think you're speaking for everyone by a long shot.

even in societies where nakedness is deemed the norm for both men and women (US and europe), women are used/seen as sexual objects, not men. so if one extreme (US and europe) allows men and women to be naked and yet still have the women be more sexually appealing, how would another extreme (the muslim world) be any different in having both genders cover?

But nakedness isn't the norm in the US, and only occasionally in certain parts of Europe (i.e. beaches). There are other better examples of societies where nakedness is the norm.

this is why hijab is commanded for women, alot more than men... its not discrimination, its pure FACT that the beauty of woman far exceeds the beauty of man. sure there are good looking man out there, but they dont get a second look the way a beautiful woman will (from both men and women)

That's completely subjective on your part. It's not a 'pure fact'.

[Jaysh]

nooni said

its pure FACT that the beauty of woman far exceeds the beauty of man. sure there are good looking man out there, but they dont get a second look the way a beautiful woman will (from both men and women)

Word.