[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by MuslimahDaTurkish

For example my cousin did.
Why askin?

my parents were going after this turkish girl for me (whom they love) but it turned out that she had gotten a proposal from some guy in turkey just before that so i was wondering if it was common for turks in america to do that. I dont know very many, just that one family really (plus some turks who dont practice)

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Ugur

MossadConspiracy and Arabesque, as a brother in Islam, I sincerely advise you to stop following the ways of the kuffar in politics and serving their evil designs.

thanks for the advice but i prefer to serve their evil designs

ws

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

my parents were going after this turkish girl for me (whom they love) but it turned out that she had gotten a proposal from some guy in turkey just before that so i was wondering if it was common for turks in america to do that. I dont know very many, just that one family really (plus some turks who dont practice)

she had gotten a proposal whats wrong with that if she refused him?
or u wonder if she will choose you(america) or that turkish guy?
whats the moral_?

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

thanks for the advice but i prefer to serve their evil designs

ws

good for you
and an advice, please dont go after turkish girls as long as you r doing that.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by MuslimahDaTurkish

she had gotten a proposal whats wrong with that if she refused him?
or u wonder if she will choose you(america) or that turkish guy?
whats the moral_?

I was just wondering if it happens alot. Because I just didnt expect it from the turks. I dont really know what happened with her proposal, i have no clue. And it wasnt really a choice. Girls who do that are bad (choose between multiple proposals, dump the old one because a new one came). this family isnt like that.

Originally Posted by MuslimahDaTurkish

good for you
and an advice, please dont go after turkish girls as long as you r doing that.

haha

since i'm turkish myself i can do whatever i want with turkish girls

(as long as its halal)

but i dont think thats something you need to worry about. Like I said, i only knew 1 turkish family in this whole country

[Aryan_]

The military action must be getting serious. Beyonce's concert in Istanbul has been cancelled.

[MossadConspiracy]

8 Turkish Soldiers Are Missing in Ambush
By SEBNEM ARSU and SABRINA TAVERNISE

ISTANBUL, Oct. 22 — Turkey’s military confirmed today that eight of its soldiers were still missing after an ambush by Kurdish militants a day earlier that left at least 12 Turkish soldiers dead and touched off a major escalation in Turkey-Iraq tensions.

Kurdish militants claimed they had captured the missing soldiers, intensifying fears that Turkey would retaliate immediately by sending troops across the border into Iraq. Turkey said it hoped that the soldiers were simply out of communication range, but it continued today to bolster its forces on the border, including both land and air units.

“Despite all search efforts, no contact has been established with eight missing personnel since shortly after the armed attack on the military unit,” the military said in a statement.

The ambush by a large group of Kurdish militants about three miles from the border with Iraq early Sunday was seen as a direct provocation on the part of the militants, who have increasingly staged raids into Turkey from hide-outs in the mountains of northern Iraq.

The Turkish prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said military operations and surveillance were continuing in the region where the soldiers had gone missing and that the militants’ claim to have captured the soldiers could simply be a “psychological operation.”

According to The Associated Press, the pro-Kurdish Firat news agency, based in Belgium, released the names of seven people it said were Turkish soldiers captured in the ambush. It said an eighth soldier was also taken captive but did not release his name. The claim could not be verified.

On Sunday, Mr. Erdogan said that he had initially delayed a decision about retaliating against the ambush, after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had personally intervened.

The foreign minister, Ali Babacan, said today that all political means would be tried before Turkey launched a military operation into Iraq, NTV television reported.

An Iraqi presidential Web site reported that President Jalil Talabani, leaving Sulaimaniya in northern Iraq to return to Baghdad, told reporters that the P.K.K. would announce a cease-fire today. But by nightfall in Turkey, Firat had no news of his comments. In any case, the P.K.K. has called cease-fires before, only to break them, and Turkish officials would be skeptical of any such announcement.

The ambush on Sunday was the most serious in recent memory by the militants, separatist fighters of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party, or P.K.K., and came only four days after the Turkish Parliament formally approved contingency plans for military retaliation across the border.

The Turkish military struck back inside Turkey, killing as many as 34 Kurdish militants, the military said today, a higher number than had earlier been reported. But the Kurdish ambush still drew strong public outrage here, and its brazenness could effectively force the government to make good on its warning to send forces into northern Iraq.

Such action by Turkey, a NATO ally, would be extremely embarrassing for the United States, which has military control over the territory that the Turks are threatening to invade. The uncertainty surrounding Turkey’s possible response unsettled financial markets. The Turkish lira fell by 3 percent against the dollar today, and the Istanbul stock exchange dropped 5 percent, Reuters reported.

Mr. Erdogan convened an emergency security meeting with Turkey’s top officials on Sunday night, in Ankara, Turkey’s capital, to discuss an appropriate response.

Ms. Rice called him shortly before the meeting began, Mr. Erdogan said on national television.

“She expressed their seriousness in this matter by not only saying that they assessed the issue in a highly sensitive way,” Mr. Erdogan said of his conversation with Ms. Rice, “but also, beyond emphasizing our righteousness, she said, ‘allow us a few days.’”

At a news briefing today, the State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, did not dispute the account of the conversation, The Associated Press reported, but he declined to comment on what Ms. Rice had meant by asking for a “a few days.”

He said Ms. Rice had called both Mr. Erdogan and Massoud Barzani, leader of the regional Kurdish government in Iraq. A White House spokesman, Tony Fratto, today called on the Iraqi government to take ”swift” action to prevent Kurdish rebel attacks on Turkey and said the United States did not want to see the conflict widen along the border.

Mr. Erdogan was due to meet Tuesday in Britain with Prime Minister Gordon Brown. At a briefing in London today, Mr. Brown’s spokesman told reporters that Britain was encouraging Turkey “to continue to seek a solution through dialogue with the Iraqi government” and wanted the Iraqi government to take steps to prevent the Kurdish attacks.

For their part Iraq officials offered a mixed response to the attack. While denouncing the Kurdish ambush and expressing the wish for good relations with Turkey, they rejected Turkish demands that militant leaders be captured and handed over to Turkey. “We are looking for peace, not war, and to solve problems peacefully,” said Jalal Talabani, Iraq’s president. But Mr. Talabani, who is himself a Kurd, added tartly, “We will not hand any Kurdish man to Turkey, even a Kurdish cat.” The confrontation over P.K.K. activities in northern Iraq has brought Turkish-American relations to their lowest point in years. Turkey says the United States should do more to help fight the Kurdish group, which has killed nearly 40 Turkish soldiers in recent weeks in cross-border raids.

Protesters marched in several cities, including Samsun, on the Black Sea, and Istanbul. In central Turkey they broke windows in offices of the main Kurdish political party. “With this incident, the arrow left the bow,” Armagan Kuloglu, a retired Turkish major general, said in a telephone interview. “No room is left for the government to hesitate, postpone or fail to launch a cross-border operation.”

In another attack, apparently by Kurdish militants, a minibus in a Turkish wedding convoy struck a bomb, wounding 17 civilians, according to the state-run Anatolian News Agency.

Mr. Erdogan used diplomatic language to say that a final decision about retaliation had not yet been made. He said Turkey would wait until all “military requirements” had been met. “The government will use this authority when the military requirements exist,” he said. “When requirements do not exist, such a step cannot be taken on emotional ground, because some people request or wish for it.”

He said he expected the United States to take “swift steps” against the militants.

Turkey has worked hard to avoid military action, said a Western official, because it knows that an offensive would damage relations with the United States as well as Turkey’s bid to join the European Union, a goal Mr. Erdogan’s government has aggressively pressed.

“We don’t want to go into northern Iraq — it’s a mess,” said Suat Kiniklioglu, a lawmaker from Mr. Erdogan’s party and a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee. “We are a country negotiating with the European Union.”

But the Sunday ambush on Turkish troops was carried out by a much larger force than the P.K.K. typically uses, the Western official said, and appeared aimed at drawing Turkey into conflict.

“I think we’ve passed the threshold,” Mr. Kiniklioglu said. “It looks like for two days or three days there will be a holding off and a waiting period. Unless the U.S. comes up with something magic in the next few days, which is highly unlikely, we’ll probably go in.”

Turkey’s defense minister, Vecdi Gonul, speaking to reporters in Kiev, Ukraine, after talks with Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, played down plans for swift military action against the Kurdish militants. “We have plans to cross the border, however, not immediately,” Turkey’s Anatolian agency quoted Mr. Gonul as saying.

The United States has pressed Iraqi officials to take the problem seriously in recent months. Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki of Iraq visited Turkey in August, and the two countries concluded a security agreement in September, though the regional Kurdish government repudiated it.

But Turkish officials said Sunday that rhetoric would no longer help. “Statements on terror will not satisfy us,” Cemil Cicek, a government spokesman, said in a televised news conference. “In terms of statements, there has been nothing left unspoken. We expected and will expect firm steps from our counterparts. At this point, there is no importance of anything said by anyone.”

After a meeting with Massoud Barzani, leader of the regional Kurdish government, President Talabani called on the P.K.K. to lay down its arms and leave, a command that brought a skeptical response from Mr. Erdogan.

“These assessments of Talabani do not personally satisfy me,” he said. “It is beautiful to say such words. The expressions are beautiful. But we would like to see what its outcome is going to be.”

At the same time, Mr. Talabani seemed to shrug off Turkish requests that the Iraqis hand over P.K.K. leaders hiding in northern Iraq.

“The leaders of P.K.K. do exist in Kurdistan’s rugged mountains, but the Turkish Army with all its power could not stem or arrest them, so how can we?” he said after the meeting which took place in Sulaimaniya in northern Iraq. “Handing over P.K.K. leaders to Turkey is a dream that will never be realized.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/wo... wanted=print

[LEGALEAGLE]

My prayers are with Turkey and the families of those kidnapped turkish soldiers.

[MossadConspiracy]

If and when the bombs start to fall i wonder how similar you guys will sound to the zionist supporters of israel 2 summers ago. the parallels are starting already

ws

[albano]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

If and when the bombs start to fall i wonder how similar you guys will sound to the zionist supporters of israel 2 summers ago. the parallels are starting already

ws

There is no freaking parallels at all. Whoever compares the situation in Southeastern Turkey and Israel is dump there is no doubt about i.t

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

If and when the bombs start to fall i wonder how similar you guys will sound to the zionist supporters of israel 2 summers ago. the parallels are starting already

ws

I doubt Hezbullah wants to be compared to the PKK.

[MossadConspiracy]

Well they're going to have to suffer through an unwanted occurrence, i'm afraid.

[MuslimahDaTurkish]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

If and when the bombs start to fall i wonder how similar you guys will sound to the zionist supporters of israel 2 summers ago. the parallels are starting already
ws

i think this is for you mossaddam:

Jerusalem has ordered the Pentagon not to go after Kurdish PKK, because it's a great instability tool to create it's own Zionist satellite in Northern Iraq. A kind of No Man's land until Second step of Great Israel is declared the same way Actual Israel has been declared to the World in 1948... Once this is done, Kurdish idiots will be slaughterd to be kicked into Syria or even Turkey, same way as with the Pals.

news: 8 turkish soldiers held hostage by kurds.. may Allah help them and their painful families

[MossadConspiracy]

salam

wheres that quote from???

by the way, have you ever been to elazig, or as the kurds and arabs call it al-aziz?

ws

[ReFresher]

Do not worry... InshaAllah we will figth for our Land....Until our last drop of Blood...Against PKK...
Did you know Barzanis background isnt Muslim..?