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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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Next time I see such a thread by a non-religious person, I'm going to beat up my neighbor.
Seriously, why do people make such sweeping generalizations, ESPECIALLY when they probably spend VERY LITTLE time at the feet of the scholars?
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+1, irony.
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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+1, irony.
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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Next time I see such a thread by a non-religious person, I'm going to beat up my neighbor.
Seriously, why do people make such sweeping generalizations, ESPECIALLY when they probably spend VERY LITTLE time at the feet of the scholars?
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you can't do that wouldnt beat up innocent people, you can only beat up people in self defense. plus it wouldnt look good on the muslims if you did such an act. owww everyone look at what he does for what muslim does they all do!
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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Being an extreme minority in the Muslim population, female convert living in a non-Muslim land, I have to admit that I find a lot of fatwa sites lacking. For example, a lot of the things they advise you to do in relation to getting along with your non-Muslim family are often either divise, or plain impossible.
Some of the other things they say are great theoretically, but difficult practically. Not that you can really blame them. Most of the scholars are eastern trained, living in the east, and don't really know about the realities of western life.
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I'd agree with you on this one. I find that some fatwa sites only cater to certain Cultures rather than everyone. Its much better to study with real people as you can ask them up front.
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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Umm, what exactly is the irony? |
07-01-2008, 07:34 PM
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Do you just laugh at anything that is aimed against me?
It doesn't even make sense. What is the irony? I've never ever said "why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such". |
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Do you just laugh at anything that is aimed against me?
It doesn't even make sense. What is the irony? I've never ever said "why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such".
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your post was ironic, comming from you. If you can't see the irony, well, too bad.
Is there some law against laughing?
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Umm, what exactly is the irony?
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Probably because in that post itself you were making a sweeping generalization....? |
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
Here's another rambling about Muslim scholars.
Everytime I try to ask a question towards a scholar via internet, my request is continuously denied with the fact that they are busy.
Why is it so hard to get in touch with some scholars out there? The duty of scholars is to educate people and to a larger crowd (INTERNET) and not just spend most of the time making guest apperances in some unknown random masjids where only about 25 people have the opportunity to go.
There should be a big forum that includes at least 100 scholars/imams to answer questions. Now, that would be appreciated progress and people like me can get the help we need.
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Umm, what exactly is the irony?
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i'm in ur threadz hi liting ur ironiez!
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your post was ironic, comming from you. If you can't see the irony, well, too bad.
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Please explain the irony. The fact that you can't shows that you were just being stupid and basically laughing at anything so long as it is directed against me.
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Probably because in that post itself you were making a sweeping generalization....?
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What exactly was the sweeping generalization in my post?
Don't run away. Answer this specifically. What was the sweeping generalization in my post?
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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Being an extreme minority in the Muslim population, female convert living in a non-Muslim land, I have to admit that I find a lot of fatwa sites lacking. For example, a lot of the things they advise you to do in relation to getting along with your non-Muslim family are often either divise, or plain impossible.
Some of the other things they say are great theoretically, but difficult practically. Not that you can really blame them. Most of the scholars are eastern trained, living in the east, and don't really know about the realities of western life.
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
Reading fatwas online is an extremely flawed approach. Firstly, we have no direct conatc with the scholars. Secondly, we are not fully aware the actual conditions and reasons behind giving the particular fatwa for a particular question. Thirdly, and I think this is a big problem, reading fataawa online opens the doors to fatwa shopping; it is all too easy for us to go to different sites providing different fatwas and pick'n'choose'n'mix what we like. I've personally grown wary of this approach. As Imam Malik said (paraphrasing) that Knowledge doesn't go to people they have to seek it out.
The best thing to do is, if one has no access to scholars, is to read books and listen to lectures. Reading fatwas should only be limited to specific answers that one may be looking for. WAllahu a'alam.
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Re: Why don't Muslim scholars focus on such-and-such?
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Reading fatwas online is an extremely flawed approach. Firstly, we have no direct conatc with the scholars. Secondly, we are not fully aware the actual conditions and reasons behind giving the particular fatwa for a particular question. Thirdly, and I think this is a big problem, reading fataawa online opens the doors to fatwa shopping; it is all too easy for us to go to different sites providing different fatwas and pick'n'choose'n'mix what we like. I've personally grown wary of this approach. As Imam Malik said (paraphrasing) that Knowledge doesn't go to people they have to seek it out.
The best thing to do is, if one has no access to scholars, is to read books and listen to lectures. Reading fatwas should only be limited to specific answers that one may be looking for. WAllahu a'alam.
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Hmmm bro, I agree with you that fatwa shopping is a problem, no doubt.
But I find it very advantageous to quickly see what the views are of the various groups. It helps you understand the big picture, i.e. see the whole forest.
One of the greatest things about the internet is that we have access to all the various groups and what they say. I think if you completely cut yourself off from that, you would lose out on a lot of knowledge.
I'm just saying that maybe we need a balanced approach, and internet fatwa sites can be one part of that balance.
The problems you mentioned, such as:
1) not having direct contact with the scholars
2) knowing the conditions and reasons
Well, these problems exist with listening to lectures too right?
Anyways, I used to ask questions to some scholars face-to-face, and honestly, I would never get as good a response as I could get at islam-qa or some other site like that.
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