[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Timbit

These things don't protect women's chastity. If anything, some of them seem to be more about safeguarding men's chastity (prevent them from falling into sin).

I think that's actually the point, since fully covered women still get violated every year. That's also why we're told to marry early. I think it's understood that men have stronger sex drives than women.

Now, why women have to bear the burden of men's' overactive sex drives by depriving themselves of society, or even sunlight (shuttlecock burqas) I don't know. While some men are kind enough to their wives to let them live in gilded cages (give them nice comfortable lives), there are others who make it a simple cage with no gilding at all

To me that's part of the mans burden. If the woman is to restrict herself from society that much, the man has to do everything in his power to make the restrictions bearable for her. He should not, for instance, forbid her to have company, or deprive her of things which, had she not restricted herself, she could easily have obtained.

[Tairra]

Originally Posted by wheelworks

You should marry him

I know right, all this gay ass love. sorry but Im tired of these gay ass islamicans and their mess.

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Timbit

]These things don't protect women's chastity. If anything, some of them seem to be more about safeguarding men's chastity (prevent them from falling into sin).

You start having problems understanding and accepting these things (and for a lot of women even abiding by them) when you try to rationalize the command at a human level.
It should be enough that women have been commaded by their Creator, all else is secondary, whether you want to question it or not doesnt matter. The principle stands unmoved no matter how many arguments are brought up.
When you have problems accepting things which are very clearly stated, its probably best to shut up and go by the "we here, and we obey" attitude, because otherwise being unaccepting about one thing can cause a lack in another area of faith. Its all interconnected, thats why Islam is so smooth a faith.

Does that make sense? probably not. Okay, back to buffing my nails.

[Tairra]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I think that's actually the point, since fully covered women still get violated every year. That's also why we're told to marry early. I think it's understood that men have stronger sex drives than women.

Now, why women have to bear the burden of men's' overactive sex drives by depriving themselves of society, or even sunlight (shuttlecock burqas) I don't know. While some men are kind enough to their wives to let them live in gilded cages (give them nice comfortable lives), there are others who make it a simple cage with no gilding at all

To me that's part of the mans burden. If the woman is to restrict herself from society that much, the man has to do everything in his power to make the restrictions bearable for her. He should not, for instance, forbid her to have company, or deprive her of things which, had she not restricted herself, she could easily have obtained.

if the woman is married, does not exempt her from being a victim of rape. rapist dont care if your married or not.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Spice

You start having problems understanding and accepting these things (and for a lot of women even abiding by them) when you try to rationalize the command at a human level.
It should be enough that women have been commaded by their Creator, all else is secondary, whether you want to question it or not doesnt matter. The principle stands unmoved no matter how many arguments are brought up.
When you have problems accepting things which are very clearly stated, its probably best to shut up and go by the "we here, and we obey" attitude, because otherwise being unaccepting about one thing can cause a lack in another area of faith. Its all interconnected, thats why Islam is so smooth a faith.

Does that make sense? probably not. Okay, back to buffing my nails.

No, it made no sense whatsoever. Okay, it did, but it wasn't connected to the topic at hand.

The topic is if there's more value placed on a woman's chastity in Islam. Does hijab prove that there's more of an emphasis on women's chastity? If you have input about that, please, share your thoughts.

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Timbit

No, it made no sense whatsoever. Okay, it did, but it wasn't connected to the topic at hand.

The topic is if there's more value placed on a woman's chastity in Islam. Does hijab prove that there's more of an emphasis on women's chastity? If you have input about that, please, share your thoughts.

My response was to what of your post I quoted, and also I was thinking a little about the whole hijab (interpretations) thing you brought up a few days ago.
EDIT: Get online

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Tairra

if the woman is married, does not exempt her from being a victim of rape. rapist dont care if your married or not.

I know. When men and women marry young, they are less likely to commit zina.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Spice

My response was to what of your post I quoted, and also I was thinking a little about the whole hijab (interpretations) thing you brought up a few days ago.
EDIT: Get online

Irrelevant. I'm trying to keep my personal views about hijab out of this thread.

[Spice]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Irrelevant. I'm trying to keep my personal views about hijab out of this thread.

Alright. We'll ignore those. Even then, I think my post made sense in light of the questions Jaysh posted, and then what I quoted from your post.
Get online

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Ah, I see. Yet another instance where you flip-flop, eh? Trying to pull of that whole "that's exactly what I said" thing again?

No, this is merely an instance where your inferior brain cannot comprehend what I was saying.

You theorized about a possible reason why Islam has a higher emphasis on protecting a woman's public image of chastity.

I was talking about something completely different, about why speakers and writers might be emphasizing womens' modesty moreso than men.

Let's start from the beginning. Did you or did you not say that there's more of a value on a woman's chastity (as compared to a man's)?

Of course there is. That's why Islam made it a major crime to accuse a woman of unchaste behavior as opposed to a man.

[Tairra]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I know. When men and women marry young, they are less likely to commit zina.

yeah less likely, but I know soo many guys where it doesnt matter. but I know not all are like that, but you would think, your married, why look else where, and if your nto happy divorce!

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

You theorized about a possible reason why Islam has a higher emphasis on protecting a woman's public image of chastity.

Exactly. Hence, why it's a major sin to falsely accuse a chaste woman.
I hope this puts an end to the discussion.

[IbnMardhiyah]

retard

[Timbit]

You're saying speakers and writers emphasize women's modesty because it's a big sin to accuse chaste women of being unchaste.

So Islamic speakers and writers advise women to be modest to avoid false accusations of unchastity? No. Women and men are supposed to be modest because modesty is prescribed (whether it takes the form of hijab or lowering of the gaze or what-have-you).

Rather, Allah tells people wanting to make such accusations to shut up and sit down, basically. Kind of like you when you called me cheap and disgusting and said that you knew untowards things about me from real life. Liar.

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

retard

Your brain froze for a bit huh