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Re: Is it sexist or not?
I think it should be obvious by now that Ibn M only posts for the sake of Arguing. It's like a game to him and he even has fake arguments with Six Pak. just for a weird thrill he gets out of it.
You're just wasting your breath arguing with him and it's obvious that you'll never get him to know your point of view donchaknow 
Of course the end of all his arguments is an insult. Another one of his perverse thrills...
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lol well no, well kinda, everything isnt fair so yeah.
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would it be fairer if everybody was the same... 
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07-01-2008, 04:12 PM
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lol no, I would hate that because then ughhh no variety. man your soo going off topic.
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Dress codes for emn are pretty simple..cover from the knee to navel.
As for everything else there are hundreds of books/speeches you just have to look for them. Maybe you are aware of the Wimminz ones because you are in fact a Wimminz?
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Dress codes for emn are pretty simple..cover from the knee to navel.
As for everything else there are hundreds of books/speeches you just have to look for them. Maybe you are aware of the Wimminz ones because you are in fact a Wimminz?
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Pardon me? wimminz?
and the clothing for men aren't suppose to be tight either.
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In Islam, there is greater value placed on the chaste behavior of women than on men -a s seen from the fact that its a major sin to accuse a Muslim woman of unchastity, but it is not the same for a man.
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IbnMardhiyah: you made this point in another thread but never responded when I asked about it. Can you elaborate, please, about what you mean?
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I think what he was saying as in that we get critized more if we something wrong (well for example pre-marital sex) because its obvious when shes pregnant, unlike a man you can't tell if hes a v or not. This is what I was told, but I got this from some stupid guy.
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Right, but that's not because it's more wrong for women to be unchaste than it is for men, as he seems to be implying. Coupled with divine injunctions about the process of convicting somebody of zina, the logical conclusion here is actually that Allah wanted to prevent violence against women.  Because there is a very real threat of violence against women for sexual transgression. Of course, people twist the rules though and that's why honour killings are so pervasive in parts of the Muslim world today.
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sis your soo right, and I'm glad to sis admitting to what is wrong and not just saying ohhh its ok, and not speak up or at lest confront it. awesome chick.
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Pardon me? wimminz?
and the clothing for men aren't suppose to be tight either.
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Yes wimminz..its my thing..don't dwell on it.
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Yes wimminz..its my thing..don't dwell on it.
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I just want to get this straight, were you trying to insult me?
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IbnMardhiyah: you made this point in another thread but never responded when I asked about it. Can you elaborate, please, about what you mean?
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Its pretty cut and dry.
Its one of the major kabaa'ir to accuse a Muslim woman of unchaste behavior, but not so for a man, so admonitions about proper behavior will be reflective of that.
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Its pretty cut and dry.
Its one of the major kabaa'ir to accuse a Muslim woman of unchaste behavior, but not so for a man, so admonitions about proper behavior will be reflective of that.
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What does prove exactly though bro? This has traditionally been a feature of most cultures....up until relatively recently it was even true throughout the West.
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What does prove exactly though bro? This has traditionally been a feature of most cultures....up until relatively recently it was even true throughout the West.
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The OP was asking about why there's more emphasis on women and "proper" behavior, and I'm pointing out the why.
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Its pretty cut and dry.
Its one of the major kabaa'ir to accuse a Muslim woman of unchaste behavior, but not so for a man, so admonitions about proper behavior will be reflective of that.
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The first part of your sentence is right. I don't see how the second is a logical conclusion of that though. You're saying because it's a major sin to falsely accuse a woman of being unchaste, there's more of a value on women's chastity.
Like I said, this doesn't mean that it's more wrong for women to be unchaste (compared to men) or that there's more of a value on their chastity. It's because in patriarchal socities, women suffer more for transgressions of sexual bounds. So in practice, if a woman is accused of being unchaste wrongly, then she'll suffer more (we see this in the modern day in many Muslim societies).
It's ironic because the Divine injunctions are meant to curtail that. That's perhaps why it's such a sin to falsely slander a woman's chastity. Also, perhaps that's why it's so difficult to convict somebody of adultery/fornication. The punishment for a male zani is the same as a female zani. A woman can, however, counteract her husband's testimony that she was unfaithful by testifying that she wasn't.
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