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[hershel_krustowski]

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[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by hershel_krustowski

NO to extremism. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? Pakistan was made for muslims, NOT EXTREMISTS! You are not welcome here. We WONT accept your propaganda. Go lick your wounds somewhere else.

NO to people who call others kaafir whenever they choose
NO to people who kidnap random people without regard for law
NO to extremism
NO to suicide bombing sympathizers.


You have destroyed our legacy as muslims, your kind is repulsive. and once again you are NOT welcome here. Perhaps if you posted something against the suicide bombing that your people have done last month in Pakistan killing people in Bazaars...killing 50 innocent people at least.

May allah guide you to Islam. I will pray for your souls and your misguided ways. I will pray for the health of your mothers and fathers, because they are likely tortured by this lunacy.

Calm down, get a drip of glucose, no one is going to kill you out of a suicide attack. I will definitely condemn the suicide attacks after you have condemned the Terrorist Kafir Regime of Musharraf and its massacre in the Lal Masjid. When there is oppression there will certainly be oppression in reaction. You stop your State Terrorism on innocent people, they will also stop blowing themselves off to kill your innocent people.
And for your information, no one has so far taken the responsibility of those suicide bombings in Pakistan. Probably it was your Kafir Regime of Musharraf whose filthy agencies carried out these attacks as they have sold out their honour to the Americans.

I don't understand why you are yelling so much, I haven't fabricated anything as the Kafir Regime of Musharraf has done against the Lal Masjid. Everything I am giving is from the media. If you don't like it then don't read from the media, go and sleep on the lap of Musharraf, he will tell you stories you like.

[Warmheart4u2007]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

what laws? that country's got effed up law enforcement anyway

why are people making a dictatorship out to be the good one in this?)

Are you making an argument to support the criminals. What you mean. Do you know what you are saying.
Should we allow all the killer to kill (as there is a dictatorship)
All the rapists to rape (as there is a dictatorship)
All the criminals to do what they want? (as there is a dictatorship)

What a lame argument! Full marks to you.

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

all yall need to watch this right now

YouTube - Witness Special - Inside the Red Mosque - 27 Jul 07 - Part 1 (Part 1)
YouTube - Witness Special - Inside the Red Mosque - 27 Jul 07 - Part 2 (Part 2)
YouTube - Witness Special - Inside the Red Mosque - 27 Jul 07 - Part 3 (Part 3)
YouTube - Witness Special - The Red Mosque - 27 Jul 07 - Part 4 (Part 4)

You have just wasted your time. You could have raised much simpathy for all the criminals of the world by
posting videos of murderers being electrified, hangeg etc
posting videos of the miserable lives of all the criminals in jails
posting of videos of the cutting of hands of theft etc
You should post all these videos. The criminals are human beings . They should be dealt very nicely. They should be provided residence in 5 star hotels etc.

Come on wake up. The only argument you can make in their defence is whether or not they are criminals. If they are not criminals then they indeed deserve sympathy but that is not the case they are criminals beyond doubt. They deserved much bad treatment which they eventually got. Almost all of the 1600 criminals have been released. They are brain washed. Where they would go. What they would do. Have Pakistani Government just released a breed of potential suicide bombers? We all must think.

Originally Posted by ibnabdullah

Your version of Islam is that of Aunty Shamim and know that Aunty Shamim was a prostitute and 'Secular Moslems' (Munafiqeen and Kuffar) were her customers. Many parliamentarians were her customers, she had the support from the government because most of the people in this Kafir-Regime of Pakistan are Secular-Munafiqeen and Kuffar who reject Shari'ah of Muhammad s.a.w.
Please know that according to the constitution of Pakistan brothels and massage centres are not allowed, but Secular-Regimes in Pakistan don't care for the constitution and they always support Prostitutes and their business in Pakistan.
Doesn't that prove that Pakistani Regime has challenged the writ of law and rejected the constitution of Pakistan?
Shouldn't suicide bombers attack the officials of Pakistani regimes and blow off their houses along with their children for their crimes against the law and constitution of Pakistan?

If suicide bombers can't punish these 'Terrorists' who have 'hijacked' Pakistan under the auspices of god-Bush, then who is going to do that?

Lal Masjid was bombed because they had challenged these criminals who call themselves the protectors of the law and constitution.

According to my version of Islam Aunty Shamim is innocent. She has not killed anyone.
In order to prove fornication etc you have to produce before law four witnesses. Where are the witnesses. Which court accused her. What is the proof. Abdulaziz and Abdur Rashid had kidnapped her and defamed that helpless woman in all the world. According the shariya he and all his companians deserve at least 80 lashes.

According to your version of Islam criminals like Abdul Aziz and Abdur Rashid can kidnap anyone without any authority any proof. Just think is it ok. You kidnap any woman and defame her in all the world without any proof. The only proof in this regard is 4 direct witnesses. Maulana Brothers could have just made an FIR in the Police or could have gone to the court if they though so. But what they did it was crime beyond doubt. Anyone supporting them is a criminal according to shriya and would get his/her due punishment in the Akhira inshallah.

According to my version of Islam every muslim (he/she may sinner or not) is respectable.No one has the right to call any muslim a munafic or kafir if not proved without doubt and only Government can declare whether or not someone is munafic or kafir.

According to your version of Islam any muslim is munafic and kafir which you consider fit for this grand position. I think you should accept Islam once more by at least reciting the kalma as I don't think your version of Islam is ever fit to be called Islam at all.


According to my version of Islam if there is any wrong activity (brothals , massage centers etc) we as civilian should report it to the concerned authority and that is enough to discharge us off our duty.

According to your version of Islam you can use force where you desire, where you want and where in your opinion there is something wrong , or where is some brothal etc whether or not it is true but it is enough for you that you think so , so it is wrong and haram.

According to my version of Islam Suicide Bombers commit suicide and also take the lives of innocent peoples. They commit double crime.

According to your version of Islam suicide bombings are ok. You can kill any one. children, women , men etc.

I think that is enough to clear my version of Islam.

Originally Posted by a_muminah

As-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaah,

SubHana-Allaah...Sad Indeed when the Deen of Allaah is being questioned.

May Allaah guide us to what is best for our dunyah and aakhirah.
May He guide us upon His Path.
May Allaah guide us to that which pleases Him.
May He make us of those that bring victory to the Deen.
Aameen.

Was-Salaamu 'Alaykum Wa Rahmatullaahi Wa Barakaatuh.

Thanks sister for support.These criminals are a stigma for our deen.They are the questions. We should unite to eliminate them. Only with their elimination would bring victory for our deen.

Originally Posted by hershel_krustowski/

NO to extremism. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? Pakistan was made for muslims, NOT EXTREMISTS! You are not welcome here. We WONT accept your propaganda. Go lick your wounds somewhere else.

NO to people who call others kaafir whenever they choose
NO to people who kidnap random people without regard for law
NO to extremism
NO to suicide bombing sympathizers.


You have destroyed our legacy as muslims, your kind is repulsive. and once again you are NOT welcome here. Perhaps if you posted something against the suicide bombing that your people have done last month in Pakistan killing people in Bazaars...killing 50 innocent people at least.

May allah guide you to Islam. I will pray for your souls and your misguided ways. I will pray for the health of your mothers and fathers, because they are likely tortured by this lunacy.

Thanks brother We should unitely disapprove these criminals. And also we should pressurise the Pakistani Government to rearrest the released 1600 criminals.They are all potential suicide bombers.

[Arabatman]

Asalaamualaikum,

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

Thanks sister for support.These criminals are a stigma for our deen.They are the questions. We should unite to eliminate them. Only with their elimination would bring victory for our deen.

If I'm not mistaken I'm pretty sure she is against the government destroying the masjid. In other words those that are questioning the deen of Allah is Musharraf and anybody that supports him in his decision to destroy the masjid and martyr many of its people.

May Allah(SWT) allieviate the sorrow of the families of the shuhadaah knowing they are with Allah(SWT) in the hearts of green birds recieving sustanance from the gardens of Jannah. May Allah(SWT) guide the people that layed seige to the masjid to the straight path, for they are in certain error and headed to the worst of places.

Ameen.

Asalaamualaikum,

-Zahid

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

Are you making an argument to support the criminals. What you mean. Do you know what you are saying.
Should we allow all the killer to kill (as there is a dictatorship)
All the rapists to rape (as there is a dictatorship)
All the criminals to do what they want? (as there is a dictatorship)

What a lame argument! Full marks to you.

no one needs to support anybody in this, especially a ruthless government that uses disproportionate amount of force.

this is a classic tale of a occupier, a rebellion and a sell out elite

look no further than braveheart(William Wallace was a criminal to the occupier and the elite)

[Abu_Hind]

La ilaha ill Allah.

How is nahi 3an al munkar a CRIME ?

Even if curbing immorality is a crime, how does it warrant killing off over a hundred women and children?

[hershel_krustowski]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

I haven't fabricated anything as the Kafir Regime of Musharraf has done against the Lal Masjid.

The media doesn't call an entire government body Kaafir, a government that consists of hundreds of thousands of employees, everyone from ministers to the custodians. So easy it is for lunatics like you to label them as kaafir. But i am sure you have looked in everyones heart and decided on behalf of allah whether they are muslim or not.

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

kill you out of a suicide attack
Kafir
State Terrorism
And for your information, your Kafir
filthy
Kafir .

Mashallah. I can tell that you have superhuman winning qualities, judging by the successful language and mainframe computers' caliber logic.

I will pray for your parents to keep them sane because of your misguided ways. And I will pray for people like you to come back to Islams ways.

[hershel_krustowski]

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

La ilaha ill Allah.

How is nahi 3an al munkar a CRIME ?

Even if curbing immorality is a crime, how does it warrant killing off over a hundred women and children?

hind bhai sahab,

They assume people are being immoral, based on their own calculations. Why couldn't they be less violent about it? They seem to have money for infinite amount of guns and ammunition and all kinds of hate related educational expenses...why couldn't they simply lobby the government offices. Even if the offices are corrupt, why couldn't the offices be bribed and what not?

Why is the violence necessary. Seriously yaar. One wonders whether the lack of education and lack of brain power is behind the constant cries of VIOLENT JIHAD and forceful curbing of your own laws, instead of peace and reason.

[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by hershel_krustowski

hind bhai sahab,

They assume people are being immoral, based on their own calculations. Why couldn't they be less violent about it? They seem to have money for infinite amount of guns and ammunition and all kinds of hate related educational expenses...why couldn't they simply lobby the government offices. Even if the offices are corrupt, why couldn't the offices be bribed and what not?

Why is the violence necessary. Seriously yaar. One wonders whether the lack of education and lack of brain power is behind the constant cries of VIOLENT JIHAD and forceful curbing of your own laws, instead of peace and reason.

Hershel bhai, I see what you are saying. I personally did not agree with Lal masjid's actions. Especially, how the situation has now detrioated in Pakistan. The govt. is even contemplating declaring emergency laws. Now that's really effed up.

However, really you talk about lobbying? Have those fat a$$ MMA mullahs achieved anything in last 50 years? No, nothing. Zilch.

As for bribing; then it's obvious why that wasn't an option.

What were the intentions of Ghazi brothers is something we could all speculate on. However, I do believe that the students of Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Faridia had sincere intentions. What they did was a last resort, as political Mullahs weren't doing anything. Govt. was oblivious to immorality taking place.

I mean are you going to deny that porn isn't readily available at movie rental places in Pakistan?

Are you going to deny that characters like Aunty Shameem don't exist?

Are you going to deny that Pakistani society is becoming increasingly promiscous?

Plus a call towards social justice was a central theme in their actions. The rape victim from Jehlum that sought justice through Lal Masjid, after being turned away from the corrupt local officials, is just one proof.

So, the point is the students acted with the belief that nothing else was being done to effect change.

[hershel_krustowski]

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

Hershel bhai, I see what you are saying. I personally did not agree with Lal masjid's actions. Especially, how the situation has now detrioated in Pakistan. The govt. is even contemplating declaring emergency laws. Now that's really effed up.

However, really you talk about lobbying? Have those fat a$$ MMA mullahs achieved anything in last 50 years? No, nothing. Zilch.

As for bribing; then it's obvious why that wasn't an option.

What were the intentions of Ghazi brothers is something we could all speculate on. However, I do believe that the students of Jamia Hafsa and Jamia Faridia had sincere intentions. What they did was a last resort, as political Mullahs weren't doing anything. Govt. was oblivious to immorality taking place.

I mean are you going to deny that porn isn't readily available at movie rental places in Pakistan?

Are you going to deny that characters like Aunty Shameem don't exist?

Are you going to deny that Pakistani society is becoming increasingly promiscous?

Plus a call towards social justice was a central theme in their actions. The rape victim from Jehlum that sought justice through Lal Masjid, after being turned away from the corrupt local officials, is just one proof.

So, the point is the students acted with the belief that nothing else was being done to effect change.

Yaar, but its true that the mullah folk backed fully, the lunacy of the mosque leaders. Bribing is something off the top of my head, but I am sure there are tons of other ways. The "students" were obviously naive, innocent and especially illiterate young men and women who fell for the simplistic propaganda. no?

I dont think anyone can deny that prostitutes exist. Porn exists. Drugs exist. They exist and the government doesn't support it. If anyone claims it, i haven't seen evidence. There's this thing called due process. I guess my point is, that since the mullah folk have the power to sway the simple minded, why don't they use it to do something constructive. Like a peaceful rally AGAINST the fact that the state/fed govt isn't doing too much in this particular area etc etc.

Meray khyaal may, they have jumbled up issues altogether to get some sympathy. Magar the fact that they were violent was just disgraceful. You simply CANT force your views at will. Plus the violent suicide bombing in open markets after the incident doesn't help their cause.

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

Come on wake up. The only argument you can make in their defence is whether or not they are criminals. If they are not criminals then they indeed deserve sympathy but that is not the case they are criminals beyond doubt. They deserved much bad treatment which they eventually got. Almost all of the 1600 criminals have been released. They are brain washed. Where they would go. What they would do. Have Pakistani Government just released a breed of potential suicide bombers? We all must think.

Wow, they are criminals because they are against Prostitution and the Prostitute-Lovers can support their extra-judicial killing but when it is about a Prostitute, lets read below how they consider her 'Innocent':

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

According to my version of Islam Aunty Shamim is innocent. She has not killed anyone.
In order to prove fornication etc you have to produce before law four witnesses. Where are the witnesses. Which court accused her. What is the proof. Abdulaziz and Abdur Rashid had kidnapped her and defamed that helpless woman in all the world. According the shariya he and all his companians deserve at least 80 lashes.

lol

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

According to your version of Islam criminals like Abdul Aziz and Abdur Rashid can kidnap anyone without any authority any proof. Just think is it ok. You kidnap any woman and defame her in all the world without any proof. The only proof in this regard is 4 direct witnesses. Maulana Brothers could have just made an FIR in the Police or could have gone to the court if they though so. But what they did it was crime beyond doubt. Anyone supporting them is a criminal according to shriya and would get his/her due punishment in the Akhira inshallah.

The Police runs under Secular Laws which means they are the worst people on earth with bad character, specially Pakistani Police and Bureaucracy is the worst in the world because majority of them are Munafiqeen and Kuffar who reject shari'ah.
By the way you should read the news articles above, then you wouldn't need to repeat your valuable points again and again as everything is answered in the articles above.

Originally Posted by Warmheart4u2007

According to my version of Islam every muslim (he/she may sinner or not) is respectable.No one has the right to call any muslim a munafic or kafir if not proved without doubt and only Government can declare whether or not someone is munafic or kafir.

Those who love and live with Prostitution, and those who support the Massacre of pious Believers and dishonour of thousands of copies of Quran in Lal Masjid and those who love to see the house of Allah bombed are certainly filthy Kuffar and Munafiqeen.