[IbnAbdullah]

Thank you Musharraf for you bombed the Red Mosque; now we can hunt the terrorists down to Mecca and Madina and bomb them as you did..

Mecca, Madina should be attacked if US is attacked: US presidential candidate

WASHINGTON: The US presidential candidate Tom Tancredo said that in his opinion the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina should be attacked if America is attacked.
The presidential candidate belonging to the Republican Party said in a restaurant that the US should consider attack on the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina to save America from nuclear attacks.

He said that in case of nuclear attacks they would decide how to target Mecca and Madina. He said this is the only way to save the US from attacks and through which it can be secured.

It may be mentioned that this is not for the first time that any statement regarding attacks on the sacred cities of the Muslims has been issued from Tom Tancredo. Earlier in 2005 also, he said about attacks on Mecca and Madina.

http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=26946

[ChotooMotoo]

Hmmm... Tancreda is unlikely to get elected anyway. He's way behind in the polls as far too much of an idealogue to get the votes even if he won enough primaries to be the top Republican candidate.

I don't think it's right of you to implicate Musharaff here. There is a huge difference between what happened in Islamabad, which was the militants own fault, and the US indescriminately bombing Mecca and Madina. The militants in Islamabad reaped their own just rewards by their lawlessness. If you read Pakistani newspapers, you would see that the vast majority of Pakistani's felt that the Pakistani government was perfectly justified in it's action, though the loss of innocent life was regretable. The vast majority of Pakistanis (judgeing from the Pakistani newspapers I've read) felt that the government was very late, and should have cracked down on those militants much sooner, and not waited 6 months. I suggest you read more Pakistani newspapers before you pass judgements on matter in that country.

[m_ali_qazi]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

Hmmm... Tancreda is unlikely to get elected anyway. He's way behind in the polls as far too much of an idealogue to get the votes even if he won enough primaries to be the top Republican candidate.

I don't think it's right of you to implicate Musharaff here. There is a huge difference between what happened in Islamabad, which was the militants own fault, and the US indescriminately bombing Mecca and Madina. The militants in Islamabad reaped their own just rewards by their lawlessness. If you read Pakistani newspapers, you would see that the vast majority of Pakistani's felt that the Pakistani government was perfectly justified in it's action, though the loss of innocent life was regretable. The vast majority of Pakistanis (judgeing from the Pakistani newspapers I've read) felt that the government was very late, and should have cracked down on those militants much sooner, and not waited 6 months. I suggest you read more Pakistani newspapers before you pass judgements on matter in that country.

speaking of passing judgements...

i dont think any of us have any idea of what really went on out there, but i dont think you should expect a corrupt foreign imposed government to be "justified" in any of its actions against anybody.

militants got what they had coming, but no one can really take any sides here.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

speaking of passing judgements...

i dont think any of us have any idea of what really went on out there, but i dont think you should expect a corrupt foreign imposed government to be "justified" in any of its actions against anybody.

militants got what they had coming, but no one can really take any sides here.

Musharaff is no a foreign imposed government. Pakistan had a number of cripling sanctions placed on it when Musharaff overthrew Sharif, which sanctions were only lifted when Musharaff suported the US invastion of Afghanistan at gunpoint. As a military dictator, he has been totally ineffective. Military dictators in other countries are much more effective at implementing US policy, just look at South America. Though the US may give lip service to Musharaff, you know they are itching for some more effective dictator to take his place.

And yes, the militants got what they had comming, all non-insane, inteligent people can agree on that.

[IbnAbdullah]

Since you don't live in Pakistan, you don't know what the ground realities are. You may not have any access to Pakistani news channels otherwise majority of Pakistanis hate Musharraf for what he did in Lal Masjid. Turn on a news channel and you will hear what I am telling you now. You probably have read English newspapers such as Dawn which is a 'secular' source and in these recent years Pakistani society has been completely divided into (1) Silent religious class which is great is size but ineffective for lack of organisation (2) Vocal shouting seculars, very small minority bur aided by the West and have hijacked buraeucracy and the government (3) Rest of the people who don't have any sides but incline to Islam, and this 3rd group of Pakistanis is being misguided by the seculars.

Lal Masjid 'Militants' didn't kill any Aunty Shamim or Chinese Massage Centre workers, not even tortured them, yes they kidnapped some policemen but didn't take them to some hideouts but into the madrasah, and later released them. That was in reaction of the 'government campaign' to stir their feelings. The government demolished 7 mosques in Islamabad in order to drive them out of the madrasah and make them do what they did.
Whatever they did wasn't as bad as Musharraf's liberal lovers of MQM did in Karachi on 12th May. They openly killed people in front of the eye of the camera but nothing happened. Why didn't Musharraf bomb 90 (MQM's headquarter) as he bombed the house of Allah?
Simply because Bush is the god of Musharraf and not Allah.

Musharraf has given us killings of Muslims at the hands of our own army and killings of Army men at the hands of our own Muslims.
Americans couldn't win the war against Iraqis and Afghanis, and Musharraf can't as well win his 'war on Islam' against Mujahideen.
He is an Enemy of Pak Army and Pakistan, an American Agent, whose objective is to weaken Pakistan and destroy our nuclear assets.
Whatever he's been doing is to destroy Pakistan, now an Army Soldier can't walk in the streets of Pakistan wearing his unifrom, because of Musharraf.
A couple of weeks ago there was no Police seen in Karachi, they feared they would be attacked by suicide bombers.

Obviously, if you give people oppression, you will take that back!

Musharraf bombed the house of Allah and killed innocent boys and girls for the sake of brothels, inshaAllah he will be disgraced like **** and die as a dog.

[IbnAbdullah]

We have all the day sat before TV watching this massacre at the hand of Munafiqeen and Kuffar in the Pak Army and Pakistani regime. You don't know the SSG commander Colonel Haroonul Islam wasn't killed by Lal Masjid students, he was killed by the black sheep in the Army because they wanted to enrage Army against the students. Yesterday General Hamid Gul (retired) talked about the same thing, and the same story has been discussed in the media. He was shot at the back of head and even 'authorities' say he came under the 'friendly fire'.

Then you can never comment on Lal Masjid from reading those 'English' newspapers, I and my family has sat almost all the day before tv for the whole week. And we have seen copies of Quran burnt and shattered by bullets. We have seen the Quranic verses and names of Allah destroyed and bombed, written on the walls of masjid. They have thrust 3 bodies in one coffin box. There was no access to the basement of the masjid complex for the media because most probably these Kuffar of Pakistani Regime buried and piled the bodies in thos basements and finally levelled the whole madrasah so everything gets buried.

[MossadConspiracy]

Its messed up even for a candidate who isnt a serious contender to say stuff like this

[Arabesque]

The One who had protected the House against Abraha is able to protect it any day against any chicken-little. Big talk. They're only trying to keep up the morale of the defeated army and anxious people. Talk is free. They can talk bull.

[shsh]

we really dont have to worry about anything happening there. Allah (swt) is going to protect theses places him self. Also, if anybody even tries to do anything, all the Muslims in the whole world are going to unite against the idiots...

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

The militants in Islamabad reaped their own just rewards by their lawlessness.

Wow, so Musharraf bombed the Masjid and Madrasah for there were militants inside? That's a very nice excuse to Americans, anytime they claim there are Al-Qayeda militants in the Kaba so we should bomb it as our baby Musharraf bombed the Red Mosque in Pakistan.

[Yahya]

assaalamualaikum

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Wow, so Musharraf bombed the Masjid and Madrasah for there were militants inside? That's a very nice excuse to Americans, anytime they claim there are Al-Qayeda militants in the Kaba so we should bomb it as our baby Musharraf bombed the Red Mosque in Pakistan.

They acted unlawfully, taking the law into their own hands, they refused to allow themselves to be arrested (They were given more than enough time to surrender) Whether they claim to laying down the Shariah or not, it does not justify lawnessness and rebellion, no matter what the government is like

Im not judging all of them, but if the militants cared about the women and children, why didnt they surrender, so as not to have them hurt?

wasalaamualaikum
Yahya

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Yahya

assaalamualaikum

They acted unlawfully, taking the law into their own hands, they refused to allow themselves to be arrested (They were given more than enough time to surrender) Whether they claim to laying down the Shariah or not, it does not justify lawnessness and rebellion, no matter what the government is like

Im not judging all of them, but if the militants cared about the women and children, why didnt they surrender, so as not to have them hurt?

wasalaamualaikum
Yahya

Islamic militants in Pakistan and elsewhere always justify the murder of innocent civilians, because somehow murder is okay if you're doing it in the name of Islam. Somehow it's okay to kill innocent civilians in Swat if you grow a big beard and say "Allah hu Akbar" before blowing yourself up. Somehow it's okay to abduct and behead Korean aid workers if you're doing it in the name of Islam. Heck, it's even okay to blow up and rob banks, and sell heroin, smuggle alcohol, so long as you're doing it for some good cause. I don't recall reading anywhere in Hadith or the Quran or Islamic history where the end justifies the means. So far as I know about history Prophet Muhammad (saw) did everything halal from start to finish. Human life was sacred to them, and they did not sell alcohol to fund their wars, they never abducted or beheaded people for ransom, they never used women and children as human shields.

What happened at Lal Masjid was tragic, but I have to say this, it's the first time I've seen a Mullah actually practice what he preaced and go down fighting. Most of these kinds of Mullahs incite others to violence and sit back and let their bellies grow. It's sad though to see the total disregard of the value of human life. Maybe it's due to overpopulation, or culture or whatever, but my impression of all of South Asia is the life is pretty cheap.

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by IbnAbdullah

Thank you Musharraf for you bombed the Red Mosque; now we can hunt the terrorists down to Mecca and Madina and bomb them as you did..

Mecca, Madina should be attacked if US is attacked: US presidential candidate

WASHINGTON: The US presidential candidate Tom Tancredo said that in his opinion the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina should be attacked if America is attacked.
The presidential candidate belonging to the Republican Party said in a restaurant that the US should consider attack on the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina to save America from nuclear attacks.

He said that in case of nuclear attacks they would decide how to target Mecca and Madina. He said this is the only way to save the US from attacks and through which it can be secured.

It may be mentioned that this is not for the first time that any statement regarding attacks on the sacred cities of the Muslims has been issued from Tom Tancredo. Earlier in 2005 also, he said about attacks on Mecca and Madina.

Mecca, Madina should be attacked if US is attacked: US presidential candidate

Hey Einstein, it not the first time Tancredo has said this. He said the same in 2005, long before the Lal Masjid was hijacked by terrorists - you would have known that had you actually read the article you posted.

Originally Posted by shsh

we really dont have to worry about anything happening there. Allah (swt) is going to protect theses places him self. Also, if anybody even tries to do anything, all the Muslims in the whole world are going to unite against the idiots...

You do realise Mecca has been besieged and attacked before? The Kaa'ba has been destroyed at least three times since the time of the prophet.

Even if the Americans nuked Mecca it wouldn't be a big deal. The response wouldn't be any different to the Mongol destruction of Baghdad in 1258 (i.e. outrage followed by anger and hostility)

[IbnAbdullah]

Originally Posted by Yahya

assaalamualaikum

They acted unlawfully, taking the law into their own hands, they refused to allow themselves to be arrested (They were given more than enough time to surrender) Whether they claim to laying down the Shariah or not, it does not justify lawnessness and rebellion, no matter what the government is like

Well, even the Mujahideen in Dargah-Hadhrat-Bal in Kashmir (in the 90s) refused to be arrested by Indian Army, though those Hindu Army men were better than the Kafir Army of Pakistan. Those Hindus didn't bomb Dargah-Hadhrat-Bal and killed 1500 or 3000 innocent girls and boys students. Indians gave them a safe passage.
Muqtada as Sadr hid in the shrine of Ali radhiallaahu anhu and Americans gave him the safe passage along with his companions.
But Musharraf and his people are worse than Kafir Hindus and Christians, they bombed the house of Allah and killed the innocent people.

As for taking the law into their hands then they didn't do anything outside the law of Allah, Pakis deny the law of Allah so what if they denied the law of Kuffar which is enforced in Pakistan. Moreover, brothels and massage centres are not allowed in Pakistan, and they only took the law into their hands for the government is violating the law of Pakistan and supporting brothels and massage centres.

Im not judging all of them, but if the militants cared about the women and children, why didnt they surrender, so as not to have them hurt?

I did think of that, but suppose they detained and hijacked innocent girls students and children in the masjid, does it mean the Kafir Army of Musharraf has to kill them all for the crimes of those militants? Why to punish those who were hijacked?

[IbnMardhiyah]

As if nuking Makkah or Madinah would stop the intended recipients of such a message.
Tancredo and other idiots like him blow a lotta hot air like this all the time, its nothing new, and its said only to satisfy their home constituencies.

Relax.