[Salika]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

In addition to what Salika said, the other reason why black [and black only] is forbidden is because its deceptive. You're giving others the appearance that you're younger than you really are because you're implying that your hair is still naturally black.

But isn't that the same with other colors? If you dye your hair brown, same thing, deceptive...

Which leads to the obvious question: Is cosmetic surgery halal? I always thought I'd give that option to my [future] wife if and when she wanted it after like two decades of marriage and having a busload of children.

But now I'm not so sure.

Is Cosmetic Surgery Allowed?

[Haramoobobi]

this picture is the horse head nebula , as you can see thers the shape of a horses head comming out of the clouds



the picture is called the Eagle nebula , by the a nebula is a gas and clouds and dust in space , they are huge 100s of times bigger than our solar system it would take 100 thousands of yrs just to get past one ,





the picture below is the andromeda galaxy our closest neighbour galaxy - only 2.5 million light yrs away that wuld 2.5×10 to the power 22 m — work that out and you will get the staggering of how far that galaxy is even though its our neighbour




the picture below is the cats eye nebula you will all probably no why its called that!




the picture below is the lagoon nebula one of my favourits!!




planet neptune

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Salika

But isn't that the same with other colors? If you dye your hair brown, same thing, deceptive...

Not if your hair wasn't brown originally.

Is Cosmetic Surgery Allowed?

But when it comes to husband - wife relations, isn't the wife allowed to beautify herself only for her husband? [and vice versa]

[Bruinrab]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

But when it comes to husband - wife relations, isn't the wife allowed to beautify herself only for her husband? [and vice versa]

For tummy tucks, the relaxation of the abdominal muscles can amount to a hernia and the excess fat may cause back problems. Breast reduction can also help with shoulder and back pain. No harm making everything look neat in the process.

At least that's what we tell the insurance companies.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Bruinrab

At least that's what we tell the insurance companies.

And they fire back and say its medically unnecessary or out of policy.

And then we sic the ERISA boys on 'em.

[ChotooMotoo]

this thread is so old, it molded.

[vegetables]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

that one peach all the way in the back looks good

[Bruinrab]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

And they fire back and say its medically unnecessary or out of policy.

And then we sic the ERISA boys on 'em.

[AmroodWaala]

A sickness of some Muslims today is that they've gotten into the whole age issue. Much like racism and sexism, it's identifying people with quantitative measurements. We don't know how old many of the sahabi were. It wasn't an obsession. In fact, the Prophet (pbuh) tried to break the jahali concept by putting Osama ibn Zaid as the head of an army when he was only 17. Age in Islam is about having gray hair and not having gray hair.

If you don't have gray hair you're called a "shabaab" and you're supposed to respect people with gray hair. If you have gray hair you're called "sheikh" and you're supposed to have mercy and compassion on those who don't have gray hairs. That is a much healthier way of looking at it. In Islamic knowledge, we knew Ibn Malik was considered a sheikh which literally means "old man" when he was 17 years old. Islam doesn't box you into a category. Age is about where you are spiritually, not where you are numerically.

I think that 40 year olds should sit with 18 year olds, and in a spirit of brotherhood and sisterhood, learn from each other. The sahabi had 15 year olds in their Prophet's majlis with 60 year olds. Muslim schools were never segregated by age. "Allah created everything and He guided it in its own specific way and manner."

We are an Ummah of labeling and labels are from Western society. In labels, everything has a name and nothing has a meaning

-- Hamza Yusuf

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[Salika]

[quote]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Not if your hair wasn't brown originally.

I don't see how that makes sense... why would it only apply to black?

But when it comes to husband - wife relations, isn't the wife allowed to beautify herself only for her husband? [and vice versa]

Yes, a woman is allowed to beautify herself for her husband, but not at the expense of disobeying the Creator.

Creator > creation

[flutterz]

i think i was older when i was younger. like i felt the oldest when i was 12. i was the most oldish 12-yr-old ever. i was all ready to be grownup and stuff. and i guess i was the most childish after i turned 18. it was like my tween years were finally catching up with me. right now, i kinda feel ageless. like i've been here (on earth) for so long that it doesn't matter and like i just got here so it's kinda too early to matter...

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Salika

I don't see how that makes sense... why would it only apply to black?

Because black is a majority color, when it comes to hair? I'm not sure, but all I know is that in the ahaadith, it was the color black that was specifically mentioned as one to avoid dyeing with, if your hair was gray or white.

Yes, a woman is allowed to beautify herself for her husband, but not at the expense of disobeying the Creator.

Yeah, that's what most people say but some make an exception if its done to beautify for teh husband and they use the example of permissibility of removing excessive facial hair such as a unibrow and stuff.

allahu a3lam

[Salika]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Because black is a majority color, when it comes to hair? I'm not sure, but all I know is that in the ahaadith, it was the color black that was specifically mentioned as one to avoid dyeing with, if your hair was gray or white.

I don't disagree about the color, just didn't get the reasoning, that's all..

Yeah, that's what most people say but some make an exception if its done to beautify for teh husband and they use the example of permissibility of removing excessive facial hair such as a unibrow and stuff.

allahu a3lam

I hope you don't consider removing excess facial hair/unibrow cosmetic surgery or even akin to it

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Salika

I hope you don't consider removing excess facial hair/unibrow cosmetic surgery or even akin to it

What if, after five kids, the woman just wants to remove excess flab ans bring her figure back to or closer, to what she was when they first got married.

Is that out of bounds, too?