[Nailah]

Several types of icecream have animal gelatin too, you know??

[sally]

it's lame to BRAG TOO!

ok sorry about sounding judgemental

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by sally

good question. when i asked them, they said they can't verify what kind it is..they use different types i believe.

that sucks.... if i was really bad i would say bismillah and eat it anyways. hahaha

[raatkirani2005]

A friend sent me a forward about this just today:


FYI - An update on the cheesecakes ... not as bad as I had thought
>
>
>
> From: GuestRelations@TheCheesecakeFactory.com
> To: uselod@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:31:45 -0400
> Subject: Greetings! Case# 141157
>
> Dear Ms. Khan:
> Thank you for your email. Our cheesecakes are not kosher and are not
> Vegan. Not all of our cheesecakes contain gelatin. Several of our
> cheesecakes contain a beef based gelatin and soy lecithin. A few of
> our cheesecakes contain a pork based gelatin. The following
> cheesecakes do contain gelatin:
> (Pork based Gelatin)
> Lemoncello Cream Torte from The Cheesecake Factory
> Lemoncello Cream Torte from Costco
> Italian Cream Cake from Sam's Club
> (Beef based Gelatin)
> Tiramisu Cheesecake
> Original Cheesecake
> Brownie Sundae Cheesecake
> Godiva Cheesecake
> Vanilla Bean Cheesecake
> Kahlua Cocoa Coffee Cheesecake
> Key Lime Cheesecake
> Dulce De Leche Caramel Cheesecake
> 6-Carb Original Cheesecake
> Dutch Apple Caramel Streusel
> 7in" Godiva Brownie
> Grand Selection from Costco
> In addition, all of our cheesecakes contain eggs.
> Thank you again for contacting us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Whitney Dunn
> Consumer Response Representative
>
>


I hate it when cheesecake makers put gelatin in their cheesecakes (I'm looking at you, Sara Lee). Most homemade recipes never call for it. I think it has to do with stabilizing it. I'm a dork and I watch desi cooking shows on satellite and for some reason, almost every recipe of theirs contains gelatin (but they're quick to announce that "it's halal.") At least Philly cream cheese recipes don't call for gelatin.

Anyways, I guess there are still some options left for those of us who love Cheesecake Factory cheesecakes.

[Sugarberry]

Originally Posted by raatkirani2005

A friend sent me a forward about this just today:


FYI - An update on the cheesecakes ... not as bad as I had thought
>
>
>
> From: GuestRelations@TheCheesecakeFactory.com
> To: uselod@hotmail.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:31:45 -0400
> Subject: Greetings! Case# 141157
>
> Dear Ms. Khan:
> Thank you for your email. Our cheesecakes are not kosher and are not
> Vegan. Not all of our cheesecakes contain gelatin. Several of our
> cheesecakes contain a beef based gelatin and soy lecithin. A few of
> our cheesecakes contain a pork based gelatin. The following
> cheesecakes do contain gelatin:

> (Pork based Gelatin)
> Lemoncello Cream Torte from The Cheesecake Factory
> Lemoncello Cream Torte from Costco
> Italian Cream Cake from Sam's Club

> (Beef based Gelatin)>
Tiramisu Cheesecake
> Original Cheesecake
> Brownie Sundae Cheesecake
> Godiva Cheesecake
> Vanilla Bean Cheesecake
> Kahlua Cocoa Coffee Cheesecake
> Key Lime Cheesecake
> Dulce De Leche Caramel Cheesecake
> 6-Carb Original Cheesecake
> Dutch Apple Caramel Streusel
> 7in" Godiva Brownie
> Grand Selection from Costco


> In addition, all of our cheesecakes contain eggs.
> Thank you again for contacting us.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Whitney Dunn
> Consumer Response Representative
>
>


I hate it when cheesecake makers put gelatin in their cheesecakes (I'm looking at you, Sara Lee). Most homemade recipes never call for it. I think it has to do with stabilizing it. I'm a dork and I watch desi cooking shows on satellite and for some reason, almost every recipe of theirs contains gelatin (but they're quick to announce that "it's halal.") At least Philly cream cheese recipes don't call for gelatin.

Anyways, I guess there are still some options left for those of us who love Cheesecake Factory cheesecakes.

yay! all the best ones i can still eat hopefully if we flood them with emails maybe they will take the gelatin out all together.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Regarding cheese and its permissibility, the following passage is probably the most detailed one you will find online in recent times. It deals with the subject of cheese from animal and non-animal sources, as well as from zabiha and non-zabiha sources

I strongly suggest everyone to read it.

Islam is easy, alhamdulillah

Of Mice and Men - The Cheese Factor | MuslimMatters.org

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Regarding cheese and its permissibility, the following passage is probably the most detailed one you will find online in recent times. It deals with the subject of cheese from animal and non-animal sources, as well as from zabiha and non-zabiha sources

I strongly suggest everyone to read it.

Islam is easy, alhamdulillah

Of Mice and Men - The Cheese Factor | MuslimMatters.org

I think the issue is gelatin, not cheese. Do you have any articles about gelatin?

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I think the issue is gelatin, not cheese. Do you have any articles about gelatin?

My post above was implicitly referring to thejellymill's post about Kraft macaroni and cheese.

However if you read the entire article, you'll see it can apply to gelatin as well, so its very relevant to the issue regarding Cheesecake Factory.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

My post above was implicitly referring to thejellymill's post about Kraft macaroni and cheese.

However if you read the entire article, you'll see it can apply to gelatin as well, so its very relevant to the issue regarding Cheesecake Factory.

So you take the opinion that since gelatin, while derived from animal bones a) undergoes a complete animal transformation from the initial animal ligaments and bones to the final gelatin product and b) is used in very small amounts, that it's okay? I'll buy that. I believe many Jews also follow the same reasoning, which is why even gelatin labeled as Koesher my actually come from pig sources. Here's a fatwa on the issue:

If the gelatine is derived from any part of an animal which can be consumed according to Shariah, e.g. cow, camel, sheep, goat, etc. and slaughtered according to Shariah, it will be permissible. If the
animal cannot be consumed according to Shariah, or was not slaughtered according to Shariah, the gelatine from such an animal will not be permissible. However, if it undergoes a complete change of metamorphosis (Tabdeel-e-Maahiyyat), the gelatine will be permissible. i.e. if metamorphosis takes place in pork gelatine or gelatine derived from an animal not slaughtered according to Shariah, it will be Halaal.

If it does not undergo a complete change, it is not permissible to use it or sell it. The income will be Haraam. However, in a state of Idhtiraar (desperation), one will be excused to use it if there is no alternative and prescribed by a Physician. The state of desperation must be confirmed by a reliable Mufti.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

So you take the opinion that since gelatin, while derived from animal bones a) undergoes a complete animal transformation from the initial animal ligaments and bones to the final gelatin product and b) is used in very small amounts, that it's okay? I'll buy that. I believe many Jews also follow the same reasoning, which is why even gelatin labeled as Koesher my actually come from pig sources.

To be specific, if the animal ingredients have had any of the following:

a) Have undergone complete chemical transformation
b) Are in such small and insignificant portions that the final product has no characteristics or effects

then yes, I will eat it.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Oh and with all due respect to Mufti Ebrahim Desai ... the other verdict was far more elaborate and thorough, and completely contradicts what he said. I usually dont take from Mufti Ebrahim Desai simply because I've found many instances where his fataawa are either too short on an issue, or too shallow.

[iliketofish]

Arghh.. we really need to find the person who keeps asking questions no one wants answers to. My diet is limited as it is. Someone told me the other day that Taco Bell's sour cream has animal sources in it... chalupas will never be the same again.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

Oh and with all due respect to Mufti Ebrahim Desai ... the other verdict was far more elaborate and thorough, and completely contradicts what he said. I usually dont take from Mufti Ebrahim Desai simply because I've found many instances where his fataawa are either too short on an issue, or too shallow.

From the wording of the fatwa, you can pretty much tell that he really doesn't know how gelatin is made.

[Salika]

This thread makes me want cheesecake.