[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Timbit

Mossad:

What do you mean, there's no point in having a monthly cycle? Let's just get rid of it entirely? It's a natural process and I highly doubt that ovulating once a month is considered "a lot" and is going to increase your risk of getting ovarian cancer. the vast majority of women ovulate so I think more of us would have ovarian cancer then if that's all it took.

I don't go through much pain during that time of the month and I don't think it's that big a hassle. If I don't have to take birth control pills continuously, then why would I? If anything, it's jacking yourself up on extra hormones unnecessarily that's gonna put you at risk.

Please don't tell me you're becoming a doctor.

The point of ovulation is to successfully have pregnancies. Ovulating and bleeding over and over does increase the risk of endometrial cancer and ovarian cancer, theres pretty much no doubt about that. Women who have alot of kids are less likely to get those cancers (and also some kinds of breast cancer) because they ovulate less times and they have more exposure to progesterone which is protective. Look at 65 year old women who have had 14 or 15 kids and they will have those diseases much less frequently than those who have had 0 kids. Thats just the way it is. Since we live in a world where women dont have 15 kids anymore, they can protect themselves in other ways, such as using the hormones of pregnancy which is what contraceptives are

also, most birth control pills that have a gap for some bleeding time also block ovulation. Thats generally how they work.

anyway it was just a suggestion theres no need for everyone to go ballistic. you should all do what you want to do. Talking to your ob/gyn is probably the best thing to do if you are interested in using any kind of contraception, since theyre the ones who will give it to you to begin with and they can explain all the risks and benefits of the various types. Somebody suggested talking to your doctor, thats probably the best idea

ws

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

If anyone has questions about the various kinds of pills and ovulation, you might want to consult your physician rather than relying on random Islamica posters.

i wasnt suggesting that anyone run out and buy birth control pills from the black market. sorry if that was the impression i gave. these are prescription drugs, of course everyone who is thinking about taking them needs to talk to their doctor.

[Songbird]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

The point of ovulation is to successfully have pregnancies.

Eh? The point?

Not everyone who ovulates has a successful pregnancy.

Seriously mate, quit while you're ahead.

My friend's a gyno and she was telling me only a few nights ago of the number of still births she's had to deliver in the course of her short career.

We ovulate because that's what Allah swt intended. What comes of it, or doesn't come of it, is again, the will of Allah swt.

[flutterz]

the leaves are falling.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Songbird

Eh? The point?

Not everyone who ovulates has a successful pregnancy.

Seriously mate, quit while you're ahead.

My friend's a gyno and she was telling me only a few nights ago of the number of still births she's had to deliver in the course of her short career.

We ovulate because that's what Allah swt intended. What comes of it, or doesn't come of it, is again, the will of Allah swt.

not everyone who ovulates gets pregnant. but everyone who gets pregnant has ovulated, with a few exceptions

the purpose of ovulation is to deliver an egg to a location where it can get fertilized

and pregnant women do not ovulate for 15 or 16 cycles

and women traditionally got pregnant many more times than they do now, in the old days such as the time of Prophet Muhammad Sallah Allahu Alayhi wa Salam

therefore they missed hundreds of cycles that women today do not miss since they get pregnant many less times on average

and the hormonal effects of those cycles and the effects of an excess of ovulations on the lining of the ovary have been shown to correspond to an increased risk of certain diseases which include ovarian and endometrial cancers and others

so blocking those effects is just one benefit of using oral contraceptives. they are a very good form of birth control.

except for women who smoke or women age 35 or older or a few other categories of women, who should use some other form if they want to.

i was just pointing out those benefits.

delivering stillborn babies is not fun

ws

[Sha_]

Originally Posted by heba

ok, someone start talking about one of the above..lets get this thread back to its old self

4 and a half of those things.

[farah]

Originally Posted by Sha_

4 and a half of those things.

i.. i'm kinda curious as to which of those is half. but i'm just too scared to ask.

[displaced]

Originally Posted by Songbird

Eh? The point?

Not everyone who ovulates has a successful pregnancy.

Seriously mate, quit while you're ahead.

My friend's a gyno and she was telling me only a few nights ago of the number of still births she's had to deliver in the course of her short career.

We ovulate because that's what Allah swt intended. What comes of it, or doesn't come of it, is again, the will of Allah swt.

overreacting much?

he gave his opinion from a purely medical standpoint. ignore it if you want but there's no need to be so freakin' argumentative.

[Songbird]

Originally Posted by displaced

overreacting much?

he gave his opinion from a purely medical standpoint. ignore it if you want but there's no need to be so freakin' argumentative.

Puhleeze. You make him sound he knows what he's talking about. Pft!

I'm perfectly allowed to disagree with him so take your sooky la lah attitude and go sulk elsewhere.

[lol_lol]

im in a need of a good cleanser just to brighten up my dull skin, anyone got any ideas?

[Songbird]

Cucumber slices.

Cheaper than anything you'll buy over the counter and no chemical additives.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

therefore they missed hundreds of cycles that women today do not miss since they get pregnant many less times on average

and the hormonal effects of those cycles and the effects of an excess of ovulations on the lining of the ovary have been shown to correspond to an increased risk of certain diseases which include ovarian and endometrial cancers and others


ws

Missed hundreds of cycles? No. You miss 9-10 cycles when you're pregnant, and maybe 2 more when you're breastfeeding. Even in the pre-birth control days not everyone had 10 kids. Unless a girl got married right when she came "of age" and popped out a baby every year until she hit 50 (and back in the day she probably would have died before that from pregnancy complications. We're humans, not cats, we're not meant to produce litters).

Cesation of menstruation also has risks, as evidenced by the increase in endometrial and ovarian cancers for those suffering from PCOS (who don't get their periods but once every few months). There is also some evidence that the hormones in birth control pills increase risks for breast cancers, and of course blood clots.

You need to talk to your doctor. There are risks and benefits with everything, only you and your doctor can find the balance between those things.

[MossadConspiracy]

OK, if we ignore the post-partum cycles and say that women only miss ten cycles per pregnancy, then having 10 children, which was not uncommon in the past still prevents 100 cycles which is roughly a quarter of the number that women will have in their fertile life (slightly less). That is a large number of cycles. Throw in the extra ones while breast feeding (which can last a long time, I dont know where you're getting 2 from but 6-12 are common), and you have hundreds of cycles missed by women with large numbers of children. Because of this they have very low risks for ovarian and endometrial cancer. OCP's simulate that. The benefits of it are well documented when it comes to those specific conditions which are the most common gyn cancers in America and are major killers.

The problems that women get with PCOS are because of hyper-androgenism, not the fact that they dont ovulate (except for infertility obviously). Actually, progesterone based contraceptives are a first line treatment for PCOS.

you're right about clotting and stuff, which is why people who are predisposed to clots like smokers and older women are advised not to use OCPs

Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

You need to talk to your doctor. There are risks and benefits with everything, only you and your doctor can find the balance between those things.

thats the most important thing

ws

[Timbit]

Okay, so by going on birth control pills continously, you decrease your risk of ovarian cancer but increase your risk of breast cancer. Great.

Not all women in the past got pregnant that many times. I don't think Allah created women to get married young and crank out babies for the whole of their fertile lives, as you so crudely put it.

I agree with Songbird. The majority of the times when you ovulate, you don't get pregnant and that's perfectly natural.

In any case, if you don't want 10 kids (and really, who does these days?), then you can go on birth controll pills for a while. A lot of people do so after marriage anyway to prevent pregnancy. And even if people aren't having a dozen kids, they're still having 2 or 3 or 4.
The problem is more when you never get pregnant at all. And also when you have an early menarche and a late menopause (I don't have a medical background at all; this is what I'm getting from a quick Google search).

Also, many young women are on birth control pills to regulate their cycles and to help with acne and all that. So in any case, even if we're not all having an insane number of kids, we take birth control pills for enough of the fertile period in our lives to balance it out.

But nobody wants to be on birth controll pills continuously, as that comes with problems of its own. I think it's really irresponsible of you to advise that and furthermore try to substantiate it by saying that menstruation is pointless, painful and omg... you bleed and why would you ever want to bleed? It's ridiculous to go on birth control pills for that reason alone.