[Salika]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

Yeah.. and it was widely accepted in some societies. Romans, Greeks, Japanese, some Afghanis still do it

But didn't some of those societies see it as consensual (or apparently at least)?

I have a hard time believing that television and the easy access to porn has had no affect on people

[iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu]

Originally Posted by Salika

But didn't some of those societies see it as consensual... like the Greeks?

Yeah but it wold be considered sexual abuse these days... seeing as they were having relations with children

[sumiyia]

Originally Posted by Salika

Well we can't say for sure... I think a study should be conducted... it would be really interesting.

informally... quite a few people have confided in me but haven't reported it... of all the different cases, only 1 actually went as far as reporting it to the police. that was the student-teacher case, and the teacher was fired.

in the brother-sister case, when the girls finally told their parents, they didn't really get the response they were looking for because their brother was the oldest son and that makes him "special."

[PhDGirl]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

Yeah but it wold be considered sexual abuse these days... seeing as they were having relations with children

It's also a matter of what we consider the age of consent. Is a 5 year old really able to give consent? What about a 15 year old? This has changed with the times, and it's really difficult to get a handle on these things too. Even today, victims might not even know that they were in fact abused (true of many things, not just for kids). It's also difficult to study this population because of the cloak of secrecy and access to information. People might be afraid to come forward for a variety of reasons too. It's really sad. May Allah (swt) save us all from such things.

[sumiyia]

what really grosses me out are the pedophiles...

you can't even go to the grocery store/department store in the day time with your 3 year old without some pervy old guy following you around getting a high off of your innocent child...

[Salika]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

Yeah but it wold be considered sexual abuse these days... seeing as they were having relations with children

We're not talking about "these days" though, societies have evolved... basically kind of what phdgirl said.. I mean would you consider the Prophet's marriage to Ayesha sexual abuse (astaghfirullah), we can't compare one society's standards to another.

I mean it's one thing to say "in that society, the children were never really consenting" versus "according to our standards, that's just not consent."

In any case, may Allah save us and our children from such a sick disease!

[sumiyia]

Originally Posted by PhDGirl

It's also a matter of what we consider the age of consent. Is a 5 year old really able to give consent? What about a 15 year old? This has changed with the times, and it's really difficult to get a handle on these things too. Even today, victims might not even know that they were in fact abused (true of many things, not just for kids). It's also difficult to study this population because of the cloak of secrecy and access to information. People might be afraid to come forward for a variety of reasons too. It's really sad. May Allah (swt) save us all from such things.

SO SO true... when you're really young and stuff like that happens, you do tend to feel uncomfortable but you're too young to know exactly whats going on. and then you're not too eager to tell someone about it because you felt like it was YOU who did something wrong.. you feel too embarrassed and guilty to discuss it.

[sally]

Originally Posted by sumiyia

what really grosses me out are the pedophiles...

you can't even go to the grocery store/department store in the day time with your 3 year old without some pervy old guy following you around getting a high off of your innocent child...

what????? is that for real?? this is sickening...

[sumiyia]

Originally Posted by sally

what????? is that for real?? this is sickening...

it's real... happened to a friend of mine this week...

[iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu]

Originally Posted by Salika

We're not talking about "these days" though, societies have evolved... basically kind of what phdgirl said.. I mean would you consider the Prophet's marriage to Ayesha sexual abuse (astaghfirullah), we can't compare one society's standards to another.

I mean it's one thing to say "in that society, the children were never really consenting" versus "according to our standards, that's just not consent."

In any case, may Allah save us and our children from such a sick disease!

Yeah I know, it's impossible to really put a gage on it. I'm just saying sexual abuse is nothing new and I don't think it started with TV.. People are just perverts

[Salika]

Originally Posted by iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu

Yeah I know, it's impossible to really put a gage on it. I'm just saying sexual abuse is nothing new and I don't think it started with TV.. People are just perverts

No of course it's nothing new...

But like violence has always existed.. there have always been wars, people hurting each other, etc.... but did school shootings happen 50 years ago? Were kids nearly as abusive? Aren't there studies that show a correlation between television and violence?

Same with sexual abuse, of course it's happened, but I can't imagine it being as widespread if the content on television was cleaner. Allahu alam.

[iTz_NoT_Me_iTzZu]

Originally Posted by Salika

No of course it's nothing new...

But like violence has always existed.. there have always been wars, people hurting each other, etc.... but did school shootings happen 50 years ago? Were kids nearly as abusive? Aren't there studies that show a correlation between television and violence?

Same with sexual abuse, of course it's happened, but I can't imagine it being as widespread if the content on television was cleaner. Allahu alam.

hmmm... that's an interesting point you raise. children sexually abusing other children may have something to do with overexposure.. or they may have been sexually abused themselves.. A lot of kids who are abused go on to sexually abuse others. It's really sad

I'm gonna stop talking about this cus its making me depressed

[heba]

goodnight ladies

(i hate work and i dread going everyday- i think its time to find a new job)

[moonlightrose]

Originally Posted by sumiyia

what really grosses me out are the pedophiles...

you can't even go to the grocery store/department store in the day time with your 3 year old without some pervy old guy following you around getting a high off of your innocent child...

oh wow. ok, thats just SICK.

[Ilikemyscarf]

I'm scared to check my grades.