Islamica Community

"Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

You aren't logged in. Sign in below or register today!
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 01:01 PM
sixpakistan's Avatar
sixpakistan
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: May 2004
Rating: 6 Votes / 3.67 Average
Posts: 11,038
sixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to sixpakistan
Default "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Question - why is it OK to use the pejorative term "Wahhabi" on these boards for Salafis - or for that matter, non-Salafi Sunnis who take their religion seriously - but using the term "Rafidhi" is a bannable offense?

See:

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/re...html#post97305

Is this really fair?
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 01:15 PM
Revert's Avatar
Revert
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: May 2006
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 6,111
Revert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond reputeRevert has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Revert
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

I don't think its fair at all.
__________________
The Tide Turner
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 02:17 PM
Variable's Avatar
Variable
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: Mar 2004
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 7,329
Variable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond reputeVariable has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

What does Rafidhi mean?
__________________
I cannot and will not recant anything, for to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God. Amen.
~Martin Luther
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 02:24 PM
TrentReznor858's Avatar
TrentReznor858
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: Oct 2004
Rating: 4 Votes / 3.00 Average
Posts: 3,560
TrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond reputeTrentReznor858 has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to TrentReznor858
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Variable View Post
What does Rafidhi mean?
Beats me must be a derogatory term for a certain sect?
__________________
Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry,their passions a quotation - Oscar Wilde.
Wisdom is the supreme part of happiness - Sophocles.
A dream is the answer to a question we do not know how to ask - Fox Mulder.
As it is the characteristic of great wits to say much in few words, so small wits seem to have the gift of speaking much and saying nothing - La Rochefoucauld.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 03:05 PM
Rida's Avatar
Rida
Senior Member Offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rating: 3 Votes / 4.33 Average
Posts: 1,158
Rida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Rida
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Quote:
What does Rafidhi mean?
rejectors, rebellers. Used to identify those who rejected the first three caliphs (ra) of mainstream islam.

Wassalaam
__________________

"Do not turn your attention to anyone else, as long as you have something left that still needs to be corrected"
sayyidna `abd al qadir Jilaani (qs)

Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 03:13 PM
sixpakistan's Avatar
sixpakistan
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: May 2004
Rating: 6 Votes / 3.67 Average
Posts: 11,038
sixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond reputesixpakistan has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to sixpakistan
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rida View Post
rejectors, rebellers. Used to identify those who rejected the first three caliphs (ra) of mainstream islam.

Wassalaam
i.e., it's derisively used to refer to Shias (just to clarify)
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-04-2008, 03:26 PM
Rida's Avatar
Rida
Senior Member Offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rating: 3 Votes / 4.33 Average
Posts: 1,158
Rida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Rida
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

zaidi shi'ahs aren't considered as rafidhi's though. If you meant shia as in majority of shia (ithna asheriyya) then yeah.

Wassalaam
__________________

"Do not turn your attention to anyone else, as long as you have something left that still needs to be corrected"
sayyidna `abd al qadir Jilaani (qs)

Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 04:18 AM
Bluestar's Avatar
Bluestar
Super Moderator Offline
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Rating: 5 Votes / 4.00 Average
Posts: 7,468
Bluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond reputeBluestar has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Bluestar
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Both members were banned. The terms are not banned but they were used to constantly flame hatred. In regards to sunni/shi'a debates, our policy is to be as firm as possible to ensure this board is open to all sects.
__________________
I worked my way up from nothing to a state of extreme poverty.

Groucho Marx
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 04:21 AM
MossadConspiracy's Avatar
MossadConspiracy
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: Jan 2003
Rating: 6 Votes / 3.50 Average
Posts: 8,298
MossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to MossadConspiracy Send a message via MSN to MossadConspiracy
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

this forum has an obvious pro-rafidhi bias
__________________
It was the Mossad!!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 04:32 AM
real's Avatar
real
Super Moderator Offline
 

Join Date: Feb 2002
Rating: Not Rated
Posts: 4,410
real has disabled reputation
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rida View Post
zaidi shi'ahs aren't considered as rafidhi's though. If you meant shia as in majority of shia (ithna asheriyya) then yeah.

Wassalaam
yeah thanks for clarifying that.

i would like to know... have you met a zaydi shia? or has anyone here? glad you know theyre more accepted by ahle sunnah.

mossad: i dont know about that but i know some people cry when theyre offended. maybe thats why you might see that bias
__________________
rabbe ziddni ilma - innallah ma sabireen - hayallah khairul amal

"It is not appropriate that everything which is made secret should be known to you, and it is not right that everything you know should be known to others." - Hazrat Ali (as)

"Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 04:37 AM
MossadConspiracy's Avatar
MossadConspiracy
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: Jan 2003
Rating: 6 Votes / 3.50 Average
Posts: 8,298
MossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond reputeMossadConspiracy has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to MossadConspiracy Send a message via MSN to MossadConspiracy
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

wahhabis face discrimination
__________________
It was the Mossad!!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 05:12 AM
Zam's Avatar
Zam
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: May 2004
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 2,954
Zam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond reputeZam has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Zam Send a message via MSN to Zam
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

I thought Rafidhi meant someone who rejected the Imamah of Zayd son Zayn ul Abideen. Rafidhi refers to both Ismaili and Twelver Shia. Historically the word is not a slur as far as I know.
__________________
So what if the enamored one is insane in the love of Allah? Look and you shall find the whole world His admirer.
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 03-05-2008, 08:25 AM
Rida's Avatar
Rida
Senior Member Offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Rating: 3 Votes / 4.33 Average
Posts: 1,158
Rida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond reputeRida has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via MSN to Rida
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by real View Post
yeah thanks for clarifying that.

i would like to know... have you met a zaydi shia? or has anyone here? glad you know theyre more accepted by ahle sunnah.
I know a few. They are accepted more-so then the rafidhi's, but their dislike for amir mu'awiyah (ra) is what turns most ahlus sunnah away. The zaidi's ( & some ismaili's) i know, aren't nearly as vocal in their expression of hatred of the companions (ra) as the ithna asheriyya though. They focus more on telling the stories of their Imams (ra), rather than bad mouthing the dead and polemics. I actually learned alot about the ahlul bayt imams (ra) from them.

Quote:
I thought Rafidhi meant someone who rejected the Imamah of Zayd son Zayn ul Abideen. Rafidhi refers to both Ismaili and Twelver Shia. Historically the word is not a slur as far as I know.
yeah you are correct.
The ones who accept Imamah of Zaid bin ali bin Hussayn (ra), normally do not have a problem with the shaykhayn (ra) and accept them as legitimate caliphs. They have some problems with the rule of sayyidna uthman (ra), but accept him as well.

Wassalaam
__________________

"Do not turn your attention to anyone else, as long as you have something left that still needs to be corrected"
sayyidna `abd al qadir Jilaani (qs)

Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 03-27-2008, 06:08 PM
AbuAlAbbas's Avatar
AbuAlAbbas
Senior Member Offline
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Rating: 3 Votes / 3.67 Average
Posts: 324
AbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond reputeAbuAlAbbas has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: "Wahhabi" vs "Rafidhi" - Double Standard?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zam View Post
I thought Rafidhi meant someone who rejected the Imamah of Zayd son Zayn ul Abideen. Rafidhi refers to both Ismaili and Twelver Shia. Historically the word is not a slur as far as I know.
From what I know that is the correct reason, they went to zayd and offered him bayah if he was to curse the khulafah, he refused so they rejected him (hence rawafidh). The early twelvers were even proud of the term rafhidi.
__________________
Al Imam Malik Ibn Annas (rA)
"The Sunnah Is Noah's Ark, Whoever rides it is SAVED, and whoever missed it is DESTROYED"
.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The much lauded "Awakening council" withdraws US support (the "coalition" crumbles) Shahnawaz News & Media 0 02-09-2008 06:57 AM
"We fight for freedom" or "What if someone else did it to us?" Jamroll Government & Politics 10 01-24-2008 07:27 AM
CAIR targets Michael Savage over "anti-Muslim bigotry" AmroodWaala News & Media 24 11-14-2007 08:32 PM
a few american muslims celebrating the cali fires as "Allah's punishment" ShiaHazara News & Media 39 11-03-2007 10:14 PM
Jewish Talmud school rejects child with "stained genealogy" Jamroll Government & Politics 12 09-06-2007 08:49 PM


X vBulletin 3.6.7 Debug Information
  • Page Generation 0.17745 seconds
  • Memory Usage 6,740KB
  • Queries Executed 16 (?)
More Information
Template Usage:
  • (1)SHOWTHREAD
  • (7)bbcode_quote
  • (1)footer
  • (1)forumrules
  • (1)gobutton
  • (1)header
  • (1)headinclude
  • (7)im_aim
  • (7)im_msn
  • (8)iprof_zodiac_sign
  • (1)navbar
  • (3)navbar_link
  • (1)option
  • (14)postbit