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Seven reasons why graduate school is outdated Brazen Careerist by Penelope Trunk

It used to be that the smart kids went to graduate school. But today, the workplace is different, and it might be that only the desperate kids go to graduate school. Today there are new rules, and new standards for success. And for most people, graduate school is the path to nowhere. Here are seven reasons why:

1. Graduate school is an extreme investment for a fluid workplace. If you are graduating from college today, you will change careers about five times over the course of your life. So going to graduate school for four yearsinvesting maybe $80,000is probably over-investing in one of those careers. If you stayed in one career for your whole life, the idea is more reasonable. But we dont do that anymore, so graduate school needs to change before it is reasonable again.

2. Graduate school is no longer a ticket to play. It used to be that you couldnt go into business without an MBA. But recently, the only reason you need an MBA is to climb a corporate ladder. And, as Paul Graham says, corporate ladders are obsolete. Thats because if you try to climb one, you are likely to lose your footing due to downsizing, layoffs, de-equitization, or lack of respect for your personal life. So imagine where you want to go, and notice all the people who got there already without having an MBA. Because you can do that, too, in a wide range of fields, including finance.

3. Graduate school requires you to know what will make you happy before you try it. But we are notoriously bad at knowing what will make us happy. The positive psychology movement has shown us that our brains are actually fine-tuned to trick us into thinking we know about our own happiness. And then we make mistakes. So the best route to happiness is one of trial and error. Otherwise, you could over-commit to a terrible path. For example, today most lawyers do not like being lawyers: more than 55% of members of the American Bar Association say they would not recommend getting a law degree today.

4. Graduate degrees shut doors rather than open them. You better be really certain you know what youre going to do with that degree because youre going to need to earn a lot of money to pay it back. Law school opens doors only to careers that pay enough to repay your loans. Likewise, your loan payments from an MBA program mean that you cannot have a scrappy start-up without starving. Medical school opens doors to careers with such bad work-life balance that the most popular specialty right now is ophthalmology because it has good hours.

5. If you dont actually use your graduate degree, you look unemployable. Lets say you spend years in graduate school (and maybe boatloads of money), but then you dont work in that field. Instead, you start applying for jobs that are, at best, only tangentially related. What it looks like is that you are asking people to give you a job even though you didnt really want to be doing that job. You wanted another job but you couldnt get it. No employer likes to hire from the reject pile, and no employer wants to be second choice.

6. Graduate school is an extension of childhood. Thomas Benton, columnist at the Chronicle of Higher Education, says that some students are addicted to the immediate feedback and constant praise teachers give, but the work world doesnt provide that. Also, kids know how to do what teachers assign. But they have little idea of how to create their own assignmentswhich is what adult life is, really. So Benton says students go back to school more for comfort than because they have a clear idea of what they want to do with their life.

7. Early adult life is best if you are lost. It used to be that you graduated from college and got on a path. The smart kids got themselves on a safe path fast. Today there are no more safe paths, there is only emerging adulthood, where you have to figure out who you are and where you fit, and the quarter-life crisis, which is a premature midlife crisis that comes when people try to skip over the being lost part of early adult life. Being lost is a great path for todays graduates. And for most people, graduate school undermines that process with very little reward at the end.
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Most of those reasons are irrelevant or tangential themselves. Most grads stay at the company that paid their bills for several years after they get their MBA, and others who go to highly-ranked, international schools do so not for the education or for climbing that corporate ladder, but for networking. The contacts you make while in Exec or Global MBA schools continue to pay off countless times over throughout a grad's lifetime - something the article didn't mention because the author herself doesn't know about that aspect or was simply trying to be controversial, in which case she performed pretty poorly.
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forget grad school! now i have an excuse to get married young and just start popping out babies right away!

i'm not sure whether or not i'm being sarcastic.
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For Higher Education adminstration, ( my field) to excel, grad school is required ...it sucks but thats life...anybody got 30 grand to spare?
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It totally depends on what you're doing.

For a lot of fields, grad school is free if you can get in (in fact, you get paid)

Looking at Chemistry:

B.S in chemistry entry level pay :40-50 K depending definite salary ceiling.
cost for a B.S. - say 30K depending on where you went, how many loans you took out etc.

M.S. : ~60K the salary ceiling is slightly higher than for a B.S.
cost: ~15K (if you screwed up and have to pay for it yourself, otherwise they pay you)

Ph.D. : LOW starting salary is 70 K, average is closer to 90 K depending on your speciality. There is no upward bound.
cost: ~20 K (IF you took loans, which again, you shouldn't need to)

Just to give an idea.
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She mentioned Finance! Although I discovered the halalness of it seems iffy.
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For Higher Education adminstration, ( my field) to excel, grad school is required ...it sucks but thats life...anybody got 30 grand to spare?
30k? you can't get this degree at a state school?
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Graduate school outdated? Tell that to a desi auntie!
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way too sweeping to be practical.

although the lost thing is true, the article is still nonsense.

IbnMardhiyah is right.
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get lost

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look up stats on earning potential of people with graduate degrees
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a lot of those reasons don't even apply to several grad programs.. like physical therapy, occupational therapy, speech-language pathology, etc... where you need a graduate degree in order to be licensed to practice.
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