[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by bravotwozero

If you're talking about the US, it's still pretty competitive, but not as competitive as Canadian schools. You'd need at least a 3.6 cumulative gpa with an MCAT of 30+, and there's usually a few Canadians at every medschool here. As a Canadian, you'd be paying out of state tuititon at a state school, or just the regular tuition at a private school, both of which will come out to roughly 35,000 U.S. per year on average, possibly even more. Yeah, definitely not cheap.

salaams,

I came across this:

Applicants should be aware that enrolling in dubious, proprietary, for-profit medical schools opened specifically to cater to rejected applicants to medical schools in Canada or the USA is highly unlikely to be a path to practicing medicine in Canada.

International Medical Schools | Pre-med | Canadian Federation of Medical Students

This makes me wonder: Do Private School have same creditentials as State School? Also, How well received are foreign MDs who are 'returning home' to seek residency ?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by the_only_one

salaams,

I came across this:

International Medical Schools | Pre-med | Canadian Federation of Medical Students

This makes me wonder: Do Private School have same creditentials as State School? Also, How well received are foreign MDs who are 'returning home' to seek residency ?

salam

that statement you posted is referring to med schools in the Caribbean like Ross and St George. There are a few others in different parts of the caribbean, UK, etc. It isnt talking about private universities here in the USA. I dont think there are any for-profit American medical schools

btw, that statement is unbelievably stupid and elitist. A few days ago i was talking to a graduating cardiothoracic surgery fellow who is on his way to an extremely prestigious American university hospital for an advanced CT fellowship. It turns out the guy is a St George grad.

If you want to be a doctor and you cant get into any medical schools except those in the caribbean, then go to the caribbean. It will be harder, but who cares. Becoming a doctor isnt easy for anyone

[iliketofish]

Originally Posted by the_only_one

salaams,

I came across this:

International Medical Schools | Pre-med | Canadian Federation of Medical Students

This makes me wonder: Do Private School have same creditentials as State School? Also, How well received are foreign MDs who are 'returning home' to seek residency ?

Also, check out the Student Doctor Network forums. Its a great resource for... pretty much any situation you can possibly imagine.

[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

that statement you posted is referring to med schools in the Caribbean like Ross and St George. There are a few others in different parts of the caribbean, UK, etc. It isnt talking about private universities here in the USA. I dont think there are any for-profit American medical schools

btw, that statement is unbelievably stupid and elitist. A few days ago i was talking to a graduating cardiothoracic surgery fellow who is on his way to an extremely prestigious American university hospital for an advanced CT fellowship. It turns out the guy is a St George grad.

If you want to be a doctor and you cant get into any medical schools except those in the caribbean, then go to the caribbean. It will be harder, but who cares. Becoming a doctor isnt easy for anyone

I am speechless at his progress and applaud him for his commitment and patience. mA. Recently, a friend's brother resorted to St. George after he didn't hear anything back from med schools where he applied to. (Shortly after, he realized there were calculation error in his overall gpa. but he was kneen not to wait one whole year. so he's on his way to Carribean now.)

Al though, He said, He'll be back in NY to complete his last two years of med school. I thought it has to be a collaborative program btwn the two universities?

As for moi, If I ever do consider medical school, my options are limited to Canadian Schools and leaving for States would be crossing over 'the red line' with my parents. lol. whatever is for the best. inshaAllah khair.

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by the_only_one

Al though, He said, He'll be back in NY to complete his last two years of med school. I thought it has to be a collaborative program btwn the two universities?

Students from Ross and St George do their clinical rotations at hospitals in the USA. They do most of their rotations at hospitals in New York City, Chicago, California, and some other ones scattered around America. The schools pay hospitals really big bucks to take their students

ws

[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Students from Ross and St George do their clinical rotations at hospitals in the USA. They do most of their rotations at hospitals in New York City, Chicago, California, and some other ones scattered around America. The schools pay hospitals really big bucks to take their students

ws

Generally speaking, If Georgian Student is capable of 'passing' his clinical rotation then, he's equally competent as American Student in his knowledge ? so what would be the drawback of attending St. George or Ross? reputation?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by the_only_one

Generally speaking, If Georgian Student is capable of 'passing' his clinical rotation then, he's equally competent as American Student in his knowledge ? so what would be the drawback of attending St. George or Ross? reputation?

Its more difficult for them to match into American residencies because the programs discriminate against foreign grads. The more competitive the field, the harder it gets. The more competitive the programs within a field, the harder it gets. Ultimately though, I think most of the ones who graduate end up matching. And there are always a few who get into derm or radiology or whatever.

[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Its more difficult for them to match into American residencies because the programs discriminate against foreign grads. The more competitive the field, the harder it gets. The more competitive the programs within a field, the harder it gets. Ultimately though, I think most of the ones who graduate end up matching. And there are always a few who get into derm or radiology or whatever.

salaams,

and you forgot...GP is always a good bet too and from my recent experience at Travel Immunization Clinic (our health care doesn't cover stuff like that) that guy makes good bucks for having his own private clinic and give out shots for $180 or more for each vaccine. boring but worthed to pay back the debts.

[MossadConspiracy]

Family medicine (GP) isnt very competitive in the USA, even though its one of the most important fields of medicine if not the most important.

[the_only_one]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Family medicine (GP) isnt very competitive in the USA, even though its one of the most important fields of medicine if not the most important.

concurr.

10 kilos of Achar

[bravotwozero]

Originally Posted by the_only_one

Also, How well received are foreign MDs who are 'returning home' to seek residency ?

If you graduate from an American medschool, your chances of matching into a canadian residency are quite good, and it happens all the time. The Canadian residency match occurs before the American one, and if you match into a Canadian residency program, you are automatically withdrawn from the US match. US and Canadian schools are both accredited by the same accrediting body - the LCME, and US grads are not considered foreign medical grads when applying to residency programs in Canada.

However, if you go anywhere else, it'll be a very tough road if you want to come back to CANADA. The US is a different story, carribean grads tend to do better there, especially in primary care programs. But because there's so few residency positions in Canada to begin with, and the Canadian government has shown no interest in opening up more residency spots, foreign grads have a very tough time matching into a residency program. I believe last year's match rate for foreign grads was like 10%.

There are so many foreign medical grads in Canada who are either without jobs, or doing things like telemarketing, or driving taxis. I'm not trying to discourage you, but this is the reality. Don't let the 'doctor shortage' fool you.

[salmanjafri]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

Family medicine (GP) isnt very competitive in the USA, even though its one of the most important fields of medicine if not the most important.

How is it one of the most important fields of medicine?

[Jaysh]

Excellent posts by brother MossadC.

Look dudes, you can pretty much do your medical school anywhere (almost), and still get into residency in America. It's all about your USMLE scores. So if you go to an American med school, you can get into an awesome residency even if you have weak USMLE scores. The trade-off for going to a foreign med school is that you have to score much higher on your USMLE to get the same spot as an American grad, and even still, the American grad will take priority over you.

If you plan on doing a hyper-competitive field like Derm/Rads/etc, then yeah, it becomes MUCH harder if you go to a foreign medical school. But it's NOT impossible (far from it). You can also do post-docs, PhDs, masters, etc, all of which will boost your chances, if you are a foreign med grad who didn't get in to the residency of your choice. Just to give hope, this year a foreign medical grad matched in NEUROSURGERY at STANFORD...stanford only has three slots for NS, and he got it. So anything is possible...yes, it's much harder though. Being an AMG is ideal of course.

But if you want to go into a field like pscyh, family med, Medicine (including ALL of its sub-specialities such as Cardio, Gas, etc.), then the good news is that foreign med students get these spots easily. Well, not if you are a crappy student...you still have to score a 90+ on your USMLE, but that's not that hard.

The downside of going to a crappy med school though is that you might do crappy on the USMLE, but I think this is more a pre-selective process. Crappier students go to crappier med schools, so they score crappier on the USMLE, not really because of the med school as such but because they were crappy students to begin with.

But schools like Ross and SGU are not crappy at all. I'm talking about the REALLY crappy med schools. My relative went to a med school in the Carribean which only had 10 students TOTAL (LOL), and in their second year, the school just closed down and ran away with their money (LOL). It was just a scam.

Anyways, that won't happen if you go to Ross or SGU or some place like that. Hell, a Ross grad got the highest USMLE score in all of mankind's history.