[Jaysh]

Sending your children to public high schools is like throwing them in the Hell-Fire yourself.

Originally Posted by Salika

I went to one and I think I turned out all right.

Sister, you may have turned out alright, but did we not all lose our innocence during that time?

Unless we destroy our ears, we can still hear the filth which comes out of the mouths of the kufaar.

[Bluestar]

we can still read the filth that comes out of you too, and it reaks!

[Revert]

Originally Posted by AmroodWaala

While I agree with the latter part about upbringing, I disagree with the former.

Islam recognizes human weakness

But as soon as the two had tasted [the fruit] of the tree, they became conscious of their nakedness;
and they began to cover themselves with pieced-together leaves from the garden.

And their Sustainer called unto them: "Did I not forbid that tree unto you and tell you, 'Verily, Satan is your open foe'?"

I was a Non Muslim in a Non Muslim environment and I turned out fine. Its not the school system itself its the weakness of the induvidual and their lack of confidence in their personal convictions that leads them to give in to the fitnah.

Blaming the school system is taking away from the fact that we are all weak willed and weak minded.

We are weak thats Shaytaans fault...aoodoo billahi amina ashaytaan irrajeem

[Salika]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Sending your children to public high schools is like throwing them in the Hell-Fire yourself.



Sister, you may have turned out alright, but did we not all lose our innocence during that time?

Unless we destroy our ears, we can still hear the filth which comes out of the mouths of the kufaar.

No it's not.

Lost my innocence? I'm not sure what you mean by innocence, but living in the West (well, almost anywhere nowadays), watching television (even cleaner programs) and just being alive is enough to take away your "innocence." If it were not going to happen in public school, it would have happened in college or later on. I lost a good deal of my "innocence" in Islamic school as well.

The problem I have is that Islamic schools often provide very poor education and if you're gong to lose your innocence either way, why compromise on something as vital as education?

[vegetables]

i found it disheartening when I was a kid I was forced to go to weekend Islamic classes where the filth would come out of the vast majority of my fellow muslims there. im glad i processed their behavior as what Muslims are NOT spoused to do rather than the alternative...

[MossadConspiracy]

I went to public school and it was fine, but only because my parents made sure to have me take tests and stuff to get placed into specialized programs from kindergarten till the end of high school. I dont know where i'm going to be living when i have kids inshallah, but if the public schools there are good then i wont have a problem putting my kids in them. Private prep schools tend to produce really bratty kids with a sense of entitlement so i would avoid them unless absolutely necessary. Islamic schools are a possibility too, if theres a really good one available

There are good muslim schools in new york with strong track records

I definitely wont send my kids to some piece of crap islamic school where most of the teachers dont have licenses and many of them dont speak english and the school is a fiefdom for some fob guy who founded it and so on. I'm sure most of us have encountered schools like that.

[Rambo]

Originally Posted by Revert

I was a Non Muslim in a Non Muslim environment and I turned out fine. Its not the school system itself its the weakness of the induvidual and their lack of confidence in their personal convictions that leads them to give in to the fitnah.

Blaming the school system is taking away from the fact that we are all weak willed and weak minded.

We are weak thats Shaytaans fault...aoodoo billahi amina ashaytaan irrajeem

but again the major problem your over looking is the environment. environment plays a major role in up bringing a person, his beliefs, morals and ethics get effected by the enviroment he is brought up in. Just because you turned out ok doesn't mean there are many others who are turning out ok.

islamic schools might have thier problems, but overall they are still a lot better then many public schools. The stuff that goes on in some of the high schools is just unbelievable.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Rambo

but again the major problem your over looking is the environment. environment plays a major role in up bringing a person, his beliefs, morals and ethics get effected by the enviroment he is brought up in. Just because you turned out ok doesn't mean there are many others who are turning out ok.

islamic schools might have thier problems, but overall they are still a lot better then many public schools. The stuff that goes on in some of the high schools is just unbelievable.

Neither is better. I've seen/heard some terrible things to come out of Islamic schools. For one the majority of them are not run by proper educators. Western Public schools are bad but just ebcause somehting has "islamic" in the title doesn't make it any better. MOst Islmaic schools i've heard of are usually cultural not islamic.

The only way to be safe is home school your kid, even then you are doing them a disservice unless yu are a trained educator.

[Rambo]

^ but again that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to build proper islamic schools, currently there are really few anyways, and they lack proper funding. If they are proper they would be much much better then public schools. Currently I would rather send my child to a catholic school like many muslims famlies actually do.

[Variable]

I'm still astonished at the idea of good public schools and bad public schools.

Originally Posted by Rambo

^ but again that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to build proper islamic schools, currently there are really few anyways, and they lack proper funding. If they are proper they would be much much better then public schools. Currently I would rather send my child to a catholic school like many muslims famlies actually do.

Dude, I don't know anything about Islamic schools, but I sure do about Catholic schools... when it comes to all the things you're talking about that you wouldn't want your kids exposed to, there's certainly no difference between the Catholic school system and public.

[Rambo]

^ maybe thats true, but again like i said proper muslim schools should be set up. That should be our main goal as a community

[Rambo]

The reason i am saying all this is because I have had first hand experience of my friends falling for so much haraam stuff back in high school and they were from really good muslim famlies aswell.

[Jaysh]

Whoever says that Islamic schools are as bad fitnah-wise as a public high school is an exaggerator. It's simply not true. Stop the exaggeration, please. Most of the people who've spent their lives in Islamic schools will say 'it's just as bad as public schools' or 'you dont know what goes on in so-called islamic schools'....this is similar to what I hear about how people say that Pakistan is just as fitnah-tastic to live in as America. Exaggerations. Pakistan is much less fitnah-tastic than America, and whoever says otherwise is exaggerating and their word should not be taken seriously.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Ummm, yeah. Hi.

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[Bluestar]

Thanks for that can't pos rep you because i've just negged you for another post next time