[Arabesque]

I cut out the nationalities of the people involved, and before you refer to the link below to check - what's your standpoint on this?

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Haggling over abaya turns into fight

Ras Al Khaimah: An [...] beat up a [....] tailor who insulted a [....] woman while she was negotiating the charge for making an abaya.

The [...] was waiting with his wife to be served when he overheard the fight. The tailor said he lost his head as the woman wanted him to reduce the price of the abaya from Dh200 to Dh150.

Witnesses testified in favour of the [....], stating he insisted the tailor should not insult the woman. The tailor was referred to the Public Prosecution department for further investigation.


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[Jamroll]

I didn't check the nationalities, but I'm guessing the tailor was Asian (because they normally are).

There's no need to insult your customers. Especially if it's only haggling over price. I can't stand rude traders.

At the same time, I don't condone beating up the tailor over a price disagreement. It depends what he said to her. If he was trying to molest her in some way, then sure beat him up, but not if he just told her to get lost.

[shsh]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

I didn't check the nationalities, but I'm guessing the tailor was Asian (because they normally are).

There's no need to insult your customers. Especially if it's only haggling over price. I can't stand rude traders.

At the same time, I don't condone beating up the tailor over a price disagreement. It depends what he said to her. If he was trying to molest her in some way, then sure beat him up, but not if he just told her to get lost.

i agree.

bargaining happens everywhere, he shouldnt have insulted her. and as for him being beaten up, it depends on how vulgar the insult was.


[edit]: just looked at the nationalities...i knew it...

[Variable]

Hmm... when it comes to beating people up over insults, it's tricky. It depends on what's happening.

If a guy is telling of some random old bat for being a grouch to him at a cashier, all power too him.

If some guy calls one's girlfriend any number of inappropriate things, then it's on. Even if the dude is twice your size, it's your duty to go get your face pummelled and hopefully score a few good hits on his.

As for this... I don't really know. Was that the whole article?

[IbnMardhiyah]

Depends on what the insult was.

If it was really severe, like dishonoring the woman in public and he's not even related to her, the tailor deserved a slap, if that's what he got.

[Arabesque]

I don't know what the insult was, and I can't imagine it to be more than just a "get the hell out of here", but I find the whole episode quite amusing.

The nationalities may be slightly relevant. If this was happening in Southall, and a Sikh was verbally abusing two Muslim girls, and a number of Muslim guys were around, chances are they'll look the other way.

I think it's amazing that this guy is risking going to a police station (reputation involved and whatnot), and perhaps paying a huge fine (if witnesses decided to testify against him), just to stand up for a woman, who is a complete stranger.

[Jamroll]

In places like Pakistan (and I'm sure many other places), it sometimes happens in busy market places, that there's some perv who tries to get a quick grope (or make some other lewd remark on gesture) on unsuspecting women while they're busy shopping. It's quite common in these kind of situations for the men present to grab the offender and beat the crap out of him.

But it's not clear from the article that the tailor did this. In fact there's not much mention of anything, apart from some kind of dispute over price.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

But it's not clear from the article that the tailor did this. In fact there's not much mention of anything, apart from some kind of dispute over price.

Yeah, I don't think he said anything bad, but I could be wrong. He probably just asked her to leave in a rude way. Maybe this woman didn't answer back, which is what upset the guy and made him interfere. If it was my mother, she wouldn't have needed a man to do the job for her. She probably would have been escorted to the police station for doing the "dushum dushums" herself.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Yeah, I don't think he said anything bad, but I could be wrong. He probably just asked her to leave in a rude way. Maybe this woman didn't answer back, which is what upset the guy and made him interfere. If it was my mother, she wouldn't have needed a man to do the job for her. She probably would have been escorted to the police station for doing the "dushum dushums" herself.

You think it was a positive response that the a man beat up another for asking a lady to leave in a rude way?

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Variable

You think it was a positive response that the a man beat up another for asking a lady to leave in a rude way?

No, I don't think it is. But I'm sure the guy who beat up the tailor was not a civilised man. Otherwise a yelling would have been more than enough.

[Jamroll]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

Yeah, I don't think he said anything bad, but I could be wrong. He probably just asked her to leave in a rude way. Maybe this woman didn't answer back, which is what upset the guy and made him interfere.

This is all conjecture because we don't know what was said between the tailor and the woman, or the tailor and the other man, but if a trader is rude to you, or makes you unhappy, I wouldn't immediately think of being physically violent with him. There's no need for it. Plus a more effective recourse is to give the guy a short verbal dressing-down, and then storm out (to make yourself feel better), and most importantly make sure your friends, family and as many other people as you are able to tell, know about it, so the business suffers directly.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Jamroll

This is all conjecture because we don't know what was said between the tailor and the woman, or the tailor and the other man, but if a trader is rude to you, or makes you unhappy, I wouldn't immediately think of being physically violent with him. There's no need for it. Plus a more effective recourse is to give the guy a short verbal dressing-down, and then storm out (to make yourself feel better), and most importantly make sure your friends, family and as many other people as you are able to tell, know about it, so the business suffers directly.

Ideally, that's the best thing to do. It happened to me once. I just called the cops and allowed them to do the yelling on my behalf.

There was an outrageous article that came out in the Arabic paper yesterday. It seems UAE nationals and Westerners are almost always charged twice or thrice more because some people (and I don't need to specify) think that "they have money."

From the article, I can see that this incident took place in Ras al-Khaimah. If this had happened in Dubai, I would understand and accept that abayas cost 200 Dirhams or more. But in Ras al-Khaimah? That's a joke.

The fact that the Jordanian lady was going to purchase an abaya means she actually wears abayas, and the tailor must have mistook her for a local, because many people can't tell the difference between a national and a non-national Arab. He probably thought that since she's a local, he could easily charge her 200 Dirhams.

[Aryan_]

So the tailor gets attacked and he's the one who gets prosecuted? Sounds like Arab racism to me. I don't buy the version in the story either, negotiating is a normal part of trading in Pakistan. I did a lot when buying things while I was there and even though I was being outrageous it was all good humoured and a lot of fun. I doubt any Pakistani would lose their head over that.

A lot of Pakistanis living in the Gulf are poor and are only there as a means to feed their families. And it's his business and he could charge whatever he wanted. If I was selling something and someone was trying to buy something for less than what was reasonable I'd tell them to stop wasting my time.

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by Arabesque

I cut out the nationalities of the people involved, and before you refer to the link below to check - what's your standpoint on this?

===

Haggling over abaya turns into fight

Ras Al Khaimah: An [...] beat up a [....] tailor who insulted a [....] woman while she was negotiating the charge for making an abaya.

The [...] was waiting with his wife to be served when he overheard the fight. The tailor said he lost his head as the woman wanted him to reduce the price of the abaya from Dh200 to Dh150.

Witnesses testified in favour of the [....], stating he insisted the tailor should not insult the woman. The tailor was referred to the Public Prosecution department for further investigation.


GulfNews

The guy insulting the woman was bad, but then he's beaten up? And prosecuted? That's terrible....over 15 quid aswell.

In conclusion all parties deserve to be punished:

-The tailor for losing his head

-The guy beating him up

-The woman for being cheap.

[Arabesque]

Originally Posted by Anderson

The guy insulting the woman was bad, but then he's beaten up? And prosecuted? That's terrible....over 15 quid aswell.

In conclusion all parties deserve to be punished:

-The tailor for losing his head

-The guy beating him up

-The woman for being cheap.

The tailor was referred to the prosecution department (I'm sure the man who beat him up, too). The article did not say he was prosecuted, though. It's nice to see how quick people will pass on judgments.

The guy for beating him up .. yes, absolutely. He had no right to do that, but I really hope he doesn't get fined. He needs anger-management sessions, which greedy clerks like that tailor should pay for.

The women was not being cheap. She was buying the abaya from Ras al-Khaimah. You get abayas there for 60 and 70 Dirhams. It's amazing she was even willing to pay 150 Dirhams. That amount you pay in Sharjah and some places in Dubai, but not Ras al-Khaimah.