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Re: Al Muqaddimah - Ibn Khaldun
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Nope you've given me half a book.  |
On the original the index is on page 460. The page scans on google books goes up to page 449. I've given you 97% of the book, plus 100% of the pages on where you can find the relevant discussion pertaining to your OP.
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Actually I just recehcked you're right, it is just half the book. Still, I think it's a good contribution to this thread. Do with it what you will.
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Actually I just recehcked you're right, it is just half the book. Still, I think it's a good contribution to this thread. Do with it what you will.
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Thanks.
I'll read it tonight. The guy I'm debating with is pretty famous over at Yale so its going to be a challenge.  |
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Surprisingly intelligent move on your part.
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Thank you.
I can't pay you the same compliment as usually it only takes two words to tell most people exactly what they can do with themselves.
I've never been one to believe in 'proof by verbosity'.
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Does it matter if he was racist?
He lived in the 1300s, man. You have to consider things in the context of the eras they were written in.
Some scholars may have had problematic views on women too.
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Thank you.
I can't pay you the same compliment as usually it only takes two words to tell most people exactly what they can do with themselves.
I've never been one to believe in 'proof by verbosity'.
Checkmate.
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You only thought it was a compliment because you're dumb. I found it amusing how you couldn't resist the urge to reply, though. Basically, you want to evade the question while continuing to bicker. Gay. |
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Does it matter if he was racist?
He lived in the 1300s, man. You have to consider things in the context of the eras they were written in.
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Well he's regarded as a hero by not only Muslims but also Arabs.
If their intellectual hero is telling them not only are they unable to build civilizations but their sole talent is destruction then of course it matters.
Have the quranic views on sex outside marriage been negated by modern feminism? |
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Well he's regarded as a hero by not only Muslims but also Arabs.
If their intellectual hero is telling them not only are they unable to build civilizations but their sole talent is destruction then of course it matters.
Have the quranic views on sex outside marriage been negated by modern feminism?
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 No. Astaghfirullah.
As for the first part of your post: again, context.
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No. Astaghfirullah.
As for the first part of your post: again, context. |
So you're saying that when it concerns sex outside marriage the views of the overwhelming majority of feminists are completely wrong about patriarchy...
How does context assist when somebody is labelling his own people as destructive and unable to govern? Especially if the book written closer in time to events is then celebrated by his own people in the future?
In the future everyone is a hero hunh?...
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So you're saying that when it concerns sex outside marriage the views of the overwhelming majority of feminists are completely wrong about patriarchy...
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Do you think the overwhelming majority of feminists believe that sex outside marriage is liberating and/or empowering?
The rest of your post makes no sense.
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Do you think the overwhelming majority of feminists believe that sex outside marriage is liberating and/or empowering?
The rest of your post makes no sense.
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Are you asking me or are you making a statement? |
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Are you asking me or are you making a statement?
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I'm asking you, in case you didn't understand from the "Do you think" and question mark.
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I'm asking you, in case you didn't understand from the "Do you think" and question mark.
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I was under the impression that the majority of feminists believed that sex outside marriage was a valid moral choice.
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Yes. Yes, you are.
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Re: Al Muqaddimah - Ibn Khaldun
Jinnzaman already explained it to you bro.
He's talking about a certain group of Arabs not Arabs in general.
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