[angryman2008]

Assalaamalkium Brothers and Sisters,

I have recently become very disillusioned with the Ummah as I have witnessed nothing but deceit, apathy, depravity, perversity, arrogance, and laziness from Muslims I have encountered throughout North America.

I am a 20 year old Punjabi Muslim who has recently graduated from a California State University with my Master's in Business Administration after 3 years of Study (I earned my B.A. in Economics from that same University within a year and a half). I was born and raised in the United States and although I am for the most part sickened by the culture around me, I have come to witness Muslims on a large scale engaging in an even more depraved culture.

With all that said, I am proud of my heritage and I am hopeful that insallah our future will be much better, however I would like to meet people who will actually take steps to achieve that betterment.

To be truthful I am depressed, I look at various indicators of our level of development and we lag behind the West (although honestly we are ahead of the rest, except maybe North East Asians) in every sector. For Example the West produces 10 times more meat then us, 25 times more automobiles, they have precision guided laser Intercontinential Missles that can go 15,000 miles while we have rockets that can go up to only 2,000 miles if they leave the launch pad. We posses only two Nuclear Rectors representing far less then 1% of Nuclear Power Generated in the World.

We have worse diets, work less hours, have fewer members of society working, and have far fewer gold medalist then either the West or the North East Asians (although I would like to point out that empirical data dispells the myths of a rising India, we are more advanced then either India, Africa, or South East Asia).

Our actors, actresses, and models are on average in far worse shape then their Western Counterparts.

Please checkout this link, the women on the sides are clearly not in good shape and yet they are UNOFFICIALLY (as we Pakistanis do not believe in such nonsense) Representatives of Pakistani Women.

This is so tragic, our people Ruled the World for over a 1,000 years yet we are reduced to the status of out of shape, pathetic beggars living off the good will of the West.


I have had enough of it, I am a Muslim, a follower of the faith of Abraham, my ancestors defeated countless nations and ruled over nearly the whole Eastern Hemisphere for centuries, it is time we work toward reclaiming our birth right and ushering in an age of development, science, and advancement far greater then any before.

This can be possible if only we learn to love hard work, and real work (not that fake work that results only in wealth reallocation and not wealth creation, a concept I will go in further detail).

We must start educated our children at an early age, in California High School Students 14 years of age can attend the Community College concurrently while in High School. Furthermore in California Community College fees are cheap at 20$ a unit, or 1200$ for their entire education excluding books and other fees. Their is no reason why our 18 year old's should not have AA degrees.

Furthermore we all must acquire a real skill and continually train that regardless of whether we use it at our jobs so we can one day serve the Ummah.

A quick note on my theory of wealth creation and wealth reallocation, Service economies tend to create distorted pictures of economic activity that show high Gross Domestic Product figures (although it should be noted that valuation is not a clear cut principle either, the cost approach may result in undervaluing highly integral activity).

For example in Australia (not the U.S. as it is illegal), Prostitution is legal it is a $500,000,000 industry. Now that $0.5 a billion is counted in GDP. Ahh their is a problem, why is that when a Man sleeps with a Prostitute it is counted in GDP but not when he sleeps with his wife? Because Money did not exchange hands!!! So is something really worthy of being counted as economic activity (commonly thought of as productive activity)


Anyways basically we need to have several million people acquire skills and this can be done through early education, I actually ranted for about 2 more pages but accidently deleted so this my shortened rant.

[Jaysh]

Are you seriously equating the status of the Ummah with the "fitness" of our models and actresses?

[angryman2008]

Originally Posted by Jaysh

Are you seriously equating the status of the Ummah with the "fitness" of our models and actresses?

When I see our men lusting after over weight and out of shape actresses I am engulfed with shame.

First off we as Muslims should be happily married people, but for crying out loud at least drool over women who care enough about themselves to keep in good shape.

That is just the most pitiful thing I have ever seen.

When we behave immorally we look like a big joke.

[jinnzaman]

Well, one thing is clear from this post: you're definitely not lying about being Punjabi my friend.

[Glasgow]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Well, one thing is clear from this post: you're definitely not lying about being Punjabi my friend.

lol what makes you say that?

[jinnzaman]

Originally Posted by Glasgow

lol what makes you say that?

Incoherent diatribes with no evidence to support his assertions? Sounds punjabi to me!

[shsh]

youth dominate the world in 30 years....they wont be youths then, would they? YOU LIE!

[Glasgow]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Incoherent diatribes with no evidence to support his assertions? Sounds punjabi to me!

haha I was thinking because he studied business. Never mind.

[shsh]

punjabi people weird and self consumed.

[Foxhole]

Originally Posted by angryman2008

Assalaamalkium Brothers and Sisters,

I have recently become very disillusioned with the Ummah as I have witnessed nothing but deceit, apathy, depravity, perversity, arrogance, and laziness from Muslims I have encountered throughout North America.

I am a 20 year old Punjabi Muslim who has recently graduated from a California State University with my Master's in Business Administration after 3 years of Study (I earned my B.A. in Economics from that same University within a year and a half). I was born and raised in the United States and although I am for the most part sickened by the culture around me, I have come to witness Muslims on a large scale engaging in an even more depraved culture.

With all that said, I am proud of my heritage and I am hopeful that insallah our future will be much better, however I would like to meet people who will actually take steps to achieve that betterment.

To be truthful I am depressed, I look at various indicators of our level of development and we lag behind the West (although honestly we are ahead of the rest, except maybe North East Asians) in every sector. For Example the West produces 10 times more meat then us, 25 times more automobiles, they have precision guided laser Intercontinential Missles that can go 15,000 miles while we have rockets that can go up to only 2,000 miles if they leave the launch pad. We posses only two Nuclear Rectors representing far less then 1% of Nuclear Power Generated in the World.

We have worse diets, work less hours, have fewer members of society working, and have far fewer gold medalist then either the West or the North East Asians (although I would like to point out that empirical data dispells the myths of a rising India, we are more advanced then either India, Africa, or South East Asia).

Our actors, actresses, and models are on average in far worse shape then their Western Counterparts.

Please checkout this link, the women on the sides are clearly not in good shape and yet they are UNOFFICIALLY (as we Pakistanis do not believe in such nonsense) Representatives of Pakistani Women.

This is so tragic, our people Ruled the World for over a 1,000 years yet we are reduced to the status of out of shape, pathetic beggars living off the good will of the West.


I have had enough of it, I am a Muslim, a follower of the faith of Abraham, my ancestors defeated countless nations and ruled over nearly the whole Eastern Hemisphere for centuries, it is time we work toward reclaiming our birth right and ushering in an age of development, science, and advancement far greater then any before.

This can be possible if only we learn to love hard work, and real work (not that fake work that results only in wealth reallocation and not wealth creation, a concept I will go in further detail).

We must start educated our children at an early age, in California High School Students 14 years of age can attend the Community College concurrently while in High School. Furthermore in California Community College fees are cheap at 20$ a unit, or 1200$ for their entire education excluding books and other fees. Their is no reason why our 18 year old's should not have AA degrees.

Furthermore we all must acquire a real skill and continually train that regardless of whether we use it at our jobs so we can one day serve the Ummah.

A quick note on my theory of wealth creation and wealth reallocation, Service economies tend to create distorted pictures of economic activity that show high Gross Domestic Product figures (although it should be noted that valuation is not a clear cut principle either, the cost approach may result in undervaluing highly integral activity).

For example in Australia (not the U.S. as it is illegal), Prostitution is legal it is a $500,000,000 industry. Now that $0.5 a billion is counted in GDP. Ahh their is a problem, why is that when a Man sleeps with a Prostitute it is counted in GDP but not when he sleeps with his wife? Because Money did not exchange hands!!! So is something really worthy of being counted as economic activity (commonly thought of as productive activity)


Anyways basically we need to have several million people acquire skills and this can be done through early education, I actually ranted for about 2 more pages but accidently deleted so this my shortened rant.

Is seeking to Dominate the World (TM) a good thing? Wouldn't that constitute Hegemony (TM)?

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by angryman2008

Anyways basically we need to have several million people acquire skills and this can be done through early education, I actually ranted for about 2 more pages but accidently deleted so this my shortened rant.

And that's all it is. A disillusioned and grossly misinformed rant.

People like you are useless at this stage. You're using the wrong metrics, the wrong key performance indicators and full of naivete. Long on talk, short on substance.

Sit down.

[IbnMardhiyah]

mods, please merge these threads.

and someone please teach this guy how to post only once.

[Bluestar]

what's the big attraction of domination? It's like the daleks; "exterminate, exterminate, exterminate"

have a kit kat, actually don't, it's nestle and nestle kill babies.

[angryman2008]

Originally Posted by jinnzaman

Incoherent diatribes with no evidence to support his assertions? Sounds punjabi to me!

Wow you are a racist idiot.

No evidence?

The entire GDP of the OIC is 3.5 trillion dollars, and it is home to 1.4 billion people. Combined they produce 1.5 trillion kWh of Electricity, 7.1% of the World's Meat, 90 billions ton of Milk, 13.1% of the World's Cereals and 15% of the World's fruit.

The United States has a GDP of 14 trillion dollars is home to only 300 million, produces 4 trillion kWh of electricity and 14.9% of the World's meat. Brazil with its 180 million people produces 7.5% of the World's Meat.

You sir must be an Arab, gives nothing but takes everything they see.

Pakistan at least tries, please consult the World Bank, IMF, and FAO for statistical information that will open your eyes.

[angryman2008]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

And that's all it is. A disillusioned and grossly misinformed rant.

People like you are useless at this stage. You're using the wrong metrics, the wrong key performance indicators and full of naivete. Long on talk, short on substance.

Sit down.

Actually people like you are useless.

The entire GDP of the OIC is 3.5 trillion dollars, and it is home to 1.4 billion people. Combined they produce 1.5 trillion kWh of Electricity, 7.1% of the World's Meat, 90 billions ton of Milk, 13.1% of the World's Cereals and 15% of the World's fruit.

The United States has a GDP of 14 trillion dollars is home to only 300 million, produces 4 trillion kWh of electricity and 14.9% of the World's meat. Brazil with its 180 million people produces 7.5% of the World's Meat.

You sir must be an Arab, gives nothing but takes everything they see.

Pakistan at least tries, please consult the World Bank, IMF, and FAO for statistical information that will open your eyes.

When we see that the United States has some 600,000 doctors and we, the OIC combined have less then 500,000 how can you tell me I am looking at the wrong metrics.

We are also undisciplined, I ask you would you feel safer if you sister traveled a Muslim country alone or a Western country?

People like you are blind and wish not to make any change, you just look for a bunch of yes men who will boost your lowly self esteem.