[Rambo]

what do muslim think of the freemasons? there is a huge lodge just beside my house.

[kellyjaz]

....Even Christians think they are deviants.

What do you mean by " what do muslims think of them"?

[Revert]

I know some Muslims that are Freemasons so I guess that answers your question.

`Abd al-Qādir al-Jazā'irī
Kemal Mustafa Atatturk
are both high profile Masons that idetify as Muslims.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by kellyjaz

....Even Christians think they are deviants.

What do you mean by " what do muslims think of them"?

Rambo is taking time out from being a Muslim.

One moment you're a muslim next you're on holiday

[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by Revert

I know some Muslims that are Freemasons so I guess that answers your question.

`Abd al-Qādir al-Jazā'irī
Kemal Mustafa Atatturk
are both high profile Masons that idetify as Muslims.

Ataturd wasn't a muslim but add to the list Jamal al-din Afghani and Muhammed Abduh.

[Deel]

Harun Yahya raises eyebrows himself, but this is a good book nonetheless.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

Ataturd wasn't a muslim but add to the list Jamal al-din Afghani and Muhammed Abduh.

Ataturk identified as a Muslim. Its also disrespectful to insult the dead. Yeah he was n't a perfect person but read more on his life and achievements. Thanks for the list of other mUslim Masons.

I think many Muslims are against the masons because they don't know enough about them. You should meet with them and tlak to them you might be suprised people.

Harun Yahyas book on the subject is not that good.

[Abu_Hind]

Originally Posted by Revert

Ataturk identified as a Muslim. Its also disrespectful to insult the dead. Yeah he was n't a perfect person but read more on his life and achievements. Thanks for the list of other mUslim Masons.

I think many Muslims are against the masons because they don't know enough about them. You should meet with them and tlak to them you might be suprised people.

Harun Yahyas book on the subject is not that good.

There are things that fall under 'nawaqidh ul-islam', and scholars both classical and contemporary have discussed them in great details. Even if someone pays lip service to Islam and says and does something which takes them outside the fold of Islam, they are not Muslim anymore. Hence Ataturd was NOT a muslim.

[TrentReznor858]

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

There are things that fall under 'nawaqidh ul-islam', and scholars both classical and contemporary have discussed them in great details. Even if someone pays lip service to Islam and says and does something which takes them outside the fold of Islam, they are not Muslim anymore. Hence Ataturd was NOT a muslim.

Like you are anyone to judge. I believe Allah says only he can decide who is muslim or not?

[Salika]

Don't freemasons hold Christian-type beliefs (kind of I guess)... how can muslims be freemasons... and how do we know they were? and why would they be?

anyways, I think they're hats are goofy.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Salika

Don't freemasons hold Christian-type beliefs (kind of I guess)... how can muslims be freemasons... and how do we know they were? and why would they be?

anyways, I think they're hats are goofy.

Masons do not hold Christian beliefs. To become a Mason one has to beleive in ONE God, a Mason can be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc.

Each Lodge follows basic Mason doctrine but its open to interpretation, hence each lodge does its own thing.

Originally Posted by Abu_Hind

There are things that fall under 'nawaqidh ul-islam', and scholars both classical and contemporary have discussed them in great details. Even if someone pays lip service to Islam and says and does something which takes them outside the fold of Islam, they are not Muslim anymore. Hence Ataturd was NOT a muslim

Kemal Mustapha was gullty of many trransgression but did they take him out of the fold of Islam? He brought many Illiterate Turks into the folds of Islam by allowing the Quran to be translated into Turkish.

Everyone knows my stance on Ataturk(I hated what he did to Turkey) but to call him a Kaafir is beyond you or I. Your disrepect toward a dead person is sickening.

[Rambo]

Freemasons are in every part of the world, They even have several lodges in a country like pakistan

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Rambo

Freemasons are in every part of the world, They even have several lodges in a country like pakistan

They have lodges in most countries but some Muslim countries have banned them.

[Deel]

they don't hold Christian-type beliefs. and i disagree that a Mason can be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc. i dunno, the rituals and black magic and whatnot that they practice makes their belief in one God questionable. not to mention their massive encouragement of homosexuality.

[Deel]

Originally Posted by Revert

Kemal Mustapha was gullty of many trransgression but did they take him out of the fold of Islam? He brought many Illiterate Turks into the folds of Islam by allowing the Quran to be translated into Turkish.

Everyone knows my stance on Ataturk(I hated what he did to Turkey) but to call him a Kaafir is beyond you or I. Your disrepect toward a dead person is sickening.

i'm going to have to side with Abu Hind on this one. true, it's not in any of our places to call him a kafir, but it's hard to comprehend why he would even be considered as muslim. what he did to turkey is what's sickening - something we are still paying for to this day. the fact that he was a mason as he banned the hijab in turkey, he is the reason turkey is a secular state, the way he claimed they were a European nation instead of an Asian one and enforced the hat law in 1925 and the law relating to prohibited garments in 1934.. the list goes on.