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I have worked for the police force back home, and my impression of them has changed only slightly. I've yelled at police officers, verbally abused them and threatened to report them to higher authority. Whenever I saw a police car speeding over the limit, or crossing a red signal for no obvious emergency, I report their plate numbers to the "operation room" which, among other things, also keeps an eye on police officers suspected of abusing their power. I always thought they weren't doing their job properly, but after working for DP, I realised they were so underpaid and overworked, one had to just give them a break.

But I should give them credit for one thing: they don't take bribes. Not because they don't want to, but simply because they'll risk being terminated and deported. Most of our police force is made up of Yemenis, who support large families in the country and back home, and live in one-bedroom apartments (not provided by the government). Apart from the free schooling their kids get, they really don't get many benefits. Many of them lose their lives or limbs in security operations. Of course there's insurance and all, but the fact that they're doing this for a country other than their own is hardly ever recognised or appreciated.

Reading this article only makes me appreciate our police force more.

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Allegations of widespread abuse dog Egypt's police force despite government denials. As the BBC's Jon Donnison reports from Cairo, experiences with the legal system are not always straightforward.

The Egyptian police station was more of a shed than a station.

A small, dimly lit and dusty room with a couple of chairs, a moth-eaten sofa and a desk. The only decoration a faded, slightly lopsided picture of President Hosni Mubarak looking down from the wall, surveying proceedings.


At the desk, Officer Sabry, as I shall call him, a tall, thick-set man with a balding pate, peered over his glasses and looked me up and down.

"You've been robbed," he said, flashing me a not entirely sympathetic smile.

I nodded sheepishly and sat down on the rickety chair beside him.

The statement

People here will tell you that Cairo has more police per head of population than any other city in the world.

Walking down the chock-a-block streets, that is not hard to believe. There are thousands of them in their crisp white uniforms, an unfortunate colour in a city where pollution, dust and sweat make a potent cocktail.

That cocktail had clearly got the better of Officer Sabry's uniform and he dabbed his brow and scratched his crotch before handing me a blank sheet of paper on which I was to write my statement.

I took the paper and carefully began to write out what had happened. The description of the two men, their age, height, distinguishing features, how they had jostled me in the street and nimbly slipped my wallet from my pocket before darting into a waiting taxi and speeding away.

It had been a Friday, a day of rest here, and the only day in Cairo where the traffic subsides enough to make it remotely possible to do any speeding.

Once finished, Officer Sabry took the paper and, peering through his thick glasses, winced at my messy handwriting.

He again dabbed his brow with his handkerchief, picked up his pen and started to transcribe the statement into Arabic.

I watched as his hand slowly shuffled across the page, right to left, leaving behind it a trail of elegant figures and characters. Once two copies had been written out - no photocopiers here - he sat back in his chair, let out a long sigh and admired his handiwork.

As I walked out of the hot dusty police station, clasping my Arabic statement, I felt a little better, as if I was at least some way to justice being done.

Lost in translation

I met up with an Egyptian friend and over a sweet tea I began to recount my minor drama as graphically as possible.

As his eyes darted over the police statement a wry smile crept across his face.

"But there's no mention of a robbery here," he laughed.

"There is no crime, you've been had. It says simply that you dropped your wallet in the street."

Five minutes later we were both back at the police station, the fan circling above our heads struggling in vain to keep us cool.

Officer Sabry looked a little awkward as he realised that his interpretation of the truth had been exposed.

My friend looked a little uneasy. He told me this was only the third time in his life he had been in a police station. And he did not like it.

Crime? What crime?

Egypt's police have a bad reputation.

Many people here feel that, unlike their uniforms, the force is not whiter than white.

Almost everyone you meet has a story about the police, be it of petty bribery and backhanders, brutality or, at worst, torture.

This month three officers are being investigated on murder charges for allegedly beating a man to death.

In a second incident, a 13-year-old boy died after being detained by the police. His family say he too was beaten and badly burned.

In both cases officers deny any wrongdoing.

Human rights groups have long claimed that abuse of power is endemic within the Egyptian police. The government says such claims are exaggerated.

However, most people here in Egypt are, if not scared, then certainly wary of the police. Nobody wants to get on the wrong side of the law.

It is may be one reason why - locals will tell you - there is actually so little crime in Cairo.

In the end, my minor incident was properly filed.

The fact that I had had a media pass in my wallet, giving me access to government events, seemingly whirred Officer Sabry into action. He even told me he had a fair idea who the culprits might be.

But as I left the small police station and stepped out onto Cairo's bustling streets, I suddenly felt a little uneasy and could not help but hope that Officer Sabry and his colleagues did not try too hard to catch up with the men who stole my wallet.


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In reality, institutional problems like this are really almost impossible to change. At the least its a very gradual process.

Theres an awesome TV series in the USA called "The Wire". It deals with alot of stuff like this, I would definitely pick it up on dvd if I were you. Its the best show on TV

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I just did a quick search on amazon and found it. It comes in seasons! Sure, I'll check it out some time.

I'm sure there are ways to change this problem. It's just it seems difficult in Egypt because you have a comparatively large population. Egyptians are decent people. I blame 3abdel-Nasser for all the corruption. Well, partly.
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yeah its possible, but it takes alot of time because as you go up the ladder from the police officer on the street to the captains in the stations to the lieutenants, up to the senior commanders and the ministers in political office, everyone has a vested interest in the current order. And alot of people in very high places have alot of dirt on alot of other people in very high places, so theres a very strong incentive against cleaning things up. In order to create a better regime, all of Egypt's most powerful institutions have to change radically. By the way that also goes for countries in the Gulf where alot of the same problems are very prevalent. Think about what it would take to make the government of the UAE one that can truly be held accountable by its people, rather than one where the people are at the mercy of the leaders but depend on the leaders to remain benevolent

and just an fyi, the wire has alot of bad language and a few instances of nudity. But its really the best show on TV

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I just did a quick search on amazon and found it. It comes in seasons! Sure, I'll check it out some time.

I'm sure there are ways to change this problem. It's just it seems difficult in Egypt because you have a comparatively large population. Egyptians are decent people. I blame 3abdel-Nasser for all the corruption. Well, partly.
Most Egyptians are decent people, mainly the rich ones and the poor ones outside Cairo.

The police are brutal but anyone who has waited in a line in Egypt will tell you that's a good thing.
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yeah its possible, but it takes alot of time because as you go up the ladder from the police officer on the street to the captains in the stations to the lieutenants, up to the senior commanders and the ministers in political office, everyone has a vested interest in the current order. And alot of people in very high places have alot of dirt on alot of other people in very high places, so theres a very strong incentive against cleaning things up. In order to create a better regime, all of Egypt's most powerful institutions have to change radically. By the way that also goes for countries in the Gulf where alot of the same problems are very prevalent. Think about what it would take to make the government of the UAE one that can truly be held accountable by its people, rather than one where the people are at the mercy of the leaders but depend on the leaders to remain benevolent

and just an fyi, the wire has alot of bad language and a few instances of nudity. But its really the best show on TV

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You're right, it's a huge problem in all the Middle East. But I think if you eliminate bribery to begin with, it would be easier to eliminate other forms of corruption. People do get caught accepting bribes in the UAE, and the former General Manager of Dubai Municipality was fired because he was suspected to have accepted a bribe. It brought so much shame on him and his family that he disappeared completely from public life.

I'm pretty sure it's possible to get rid of bribery in Egypt and elsewhere. I'm not saying it's easy, just doable. Change comes one step at a time.

And thanks for the warning. I don't mind bad language because I don't understand all the slang anyway. What's the season that has less nudity?
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Corrupt police officers are great. If you've got money, you get away with breaking the law. An even cheaper way to bribe them is with cigarettes.

The amount of sticky situations I've gotten out of by handing over and sharing a pack of fags you wouldn't believe...
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yeah it would be very hard. possible, but a huge challenge. Corruption has so many facets too.. even in successful democratic countries, its a serious problem that is never really stamped out. And Egypt has a very high rate of corruption, among the world's highest

I've only seen the first 2 seasons out of 4 and so far the 1st definitely has much less nudity, possibly none (cant really remember)
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In Pakistan, if you've got money, you can probably get away with murder by greasing the right palms.

I remember the police in Pakistan once pulled my dad over for a routine stop, but they were just looking for bribes.
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Corrupt police officers are great. If you've got money, you get away with breaking the law. An even cheaper way to bribe them is with cigarettes.

The amount of sticky situations I've gotten out of by handing over and sharing a pack of fags you wouldn't believe...
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