Cutting Tradition-Female Circumcision in Indonesia

[MoonStar]

kona if that were true millions of women in plastic surgery/sex-crazed America would have it done willingly. Also the idea that it's done to increase a woman's pleasure is a joke, and contradicts what the people there have said, like in the article,


"According to Lukman Hakim, the foundation’s chairman of social services, there are three “benefits” to circumcising girls.

“One, it will stabilize her libido,” he said through an interpreter. “Two, it will make a woman look more beautiful in the eyes of her husband. And three, it will balance her psychology.”

It makes no sense that in a country where modesty and marriage and covering up girls bodies from a young age is valued, that they would perform something on little girls to make them even more sexually developed. Nice spin though. FGM is about reducing a woman's sexual abilities. Male circumcision has many health benefits, there are none in female circumcision.

[Bluestar]

how is this different to male circumcision apart from one being encouraged in islam and the other not?

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by MoonStar

kona if that were true millions of women in plastic surgery/sex-crazed America would have it done willingly. Also the idea that it's done to increase a woman's pleasure is a joke, and contradicts what the people there have said, like in the article,

Actually some do but amongst a subculture of Americans who pierce it. Plus not many would want a sharp object getting near a sensitive part (male or female).

"According to Lukman Hakim, the foundation’s chairman of social services, there are three “benefits” to circumcising girls.

“One, it will stabilize her libido,” he said through an interpreter. “Two, it will make a woman look more beautiful in the eyes of her husband. And three, it will balance her psychology.”

I don't buy his statement, but I do see female circumcision as a marital aid and not a commandment.

It makes no sense that in a country where modesty and marriage and covering up girls bodies from a young age is valued, that they would perform something on little girls to make them even more sexually developed. Nice spin though. FGM is about reducing a woman's sexual abilities. Male circumcision has many health benefits, there are none in female circumcision.

Again, you need to look at the article. There are four variations of female gential cutting. Type 1 which is what is practiced in Indonesia mostly is not harmful and does not have long term affects. Of course if a woman wears tight jeans and sees a drop dead gorgeous guy in school, then they will be overstimulated. But these are Muslim women who wear loose clothing.

Also, there are still some contraversy revolving around male circumcision, believing that too is "gential mutilation". According to them they do not believe it has a place in the modern world and the supposed medical reasons are unsubstantiated.

I am not in support nor condoning it (with the exception of type 4 or type 3 which is total removal of the clitoris). And I won't have my daughter circumcisied. One less commandment makes a life of a Muslim easier as i tend to believe.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by MoonStar

Male circumcision has many health benefits, there are none in female circumcision.

I've heard of benefits when talking about HIV transfer for male circumcision, but in general I don't think there are many.

[Bruinrab]

Kona, male and female genitals are analogous. However, women have the same number of nerve endings over a much, much smaller area than men. They are far more prone to over stimulation than men - they need the hood.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by Variable

I've heard of benefits when talking about HIV transfer for male circumcision, but in general I don't think there are many.

That is why there is a movement to have male cirucumsicion stopped.

Originally Posted by Bruinrab

Kona, male and female genitals are analogous. However, women have the same number of nerve endings over a much, much smaller area than men. They are far more prone to over stimulation than men - they need the hood.

I am aware of that. As I stated before the main reason for having FGC (type 1) is for marital reasons - I would assume if the clitoris is too small. Again i do not buy in the whole virtue rhertoric.

[Timbit]

The reason we circumcise males is because we're commanded to, and that's the end of the story. There may be health benefits but that's not the primary reason. Female circumcision, however, does not have any benefits. If anything, it's harmful as many people have explained to you already. You can insist on saying it enhances sexual pleasure for women, but really, it doesn't. Removing the clitoral hood exposes the clitoris which can cause pain when overstimulated. Also, we're not commanded to.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by Timbit

The reason we circumcise males is because we're commanded to, and that's the end of the story. There may be health benefits but that's not the primary reason. Female circumcision, however, does not have any benefits. If anything, it's harmful as many people have explained to you already. You can insist on saying it enhances sexual pleasure for women, but really, it doesn't. Removing the clitoral hood exposes the clitoris which can cause pain when overstimulated. Also, we're not commanded to.

Sister, I am aware of that. But I just do not think we have to be quick to prejudge if they are practicing type 1 FGC, which is a marital aid/cultural pracitse during the time of Muhammad SAW, although a weak source. Type 3 and 4 FGC is barbaric and should be stopped. And like you said it is not a commandment amongst women which i agree. It may be true that it causes pain, but as one sexually active non-Muslim friend told me, "there's a fine line between pain and pleasure".

[MossadConspiracy]

[Kona_Silat]

I see your point.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

Sister, I am aware of that. But I just do not think we have to be quick to prejudge if they are practicing type 1 FGC, which is a marital aid/cultural pracitse during the time of Muhammad SAW, although a weak source. Type 3 and 4 FGC is barbaric and should be stopped. And like you said it is not a commandment amongst women which i agree. It may be true that it causes pain, but as one sexually active non-Muslim friend told me, "there's a fine line between pain and pleasure".

Astaghfirullah.

You keep saying it's a marital aid. What does that mean? Do you think it enhances female sexual pleasure and that's the reason it's done? Because that is not the case.

The way you stimulate the clitoris is actually by stimulating the clitoral hood. If you prefer more direct stimulation, then you can always pull the hood back. Geez. There's no reason to remove it from all women. That's mutilation.

[Kona_Silat]

Originally Posted by Timbit

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The way you stimulate the clitoris is actually by stimulating the clitoral hood. If you prefer more direct stimulation, then you can always pull the hood back. Geez. There's no reason to remove it from all women. That's mutilation.

But you have just stated a valid reason for removal of the hood. (re: bold faced statement)

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Kona_Silat

But you have just stated a valid reason for removal of the hood. (re: bold faced statement)

No, that is not a valid reason. If you prefer direct clitoral stimulation, you manually pull the hood back. It's retractable for a reason. SubhanAllah...aren't our bodies cool?

You do not cut it off from all female children and pretend like it's for their own good. Keep it real, man.

Okay? Okay.

[Variable]

Wow, I think there may be many young Islamican men who are perhaps learning a lot from this thread.

[Timbit]

Originally Posted by Variable

Wow, I think there may be many young Islamican men who are perhaps learning a lot from this thread.

Too bad Kona isn't.
But then again, he's just a troll.