Missionaries Under Cover

[Arabesque]

Old article, but worth reading:

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She wasn't a Muslim, but she would do for now. Last March, at just about the time American troops were massing outside Baghdad, she shuffled, dressed in a dark burqa, into a cramped schoolroom in the New York City borough of Queens. The class she was addressing was organized by the U.S. Center for World Mission and packed with eager evangelical Christian students wanting to learn how to be missionaries in a foreign country. The black-clad "Shafira" was gamely trying to explain her faith.

"It is not in the heart of all the Muslims to have violence," she said in broken English, alluding immediately to Sept. 11. "So sorry that people having dying. I'm wanting peace for my children. I'm thinking you wanting peace. It's the same." She listed Islam's five pillars of faith and reminded her audience that holy war is not among them. "We have a lot in common," she said, but she did wonder about the Trinity: "God Father plus God Mary equals God Son?"

A student, thrilled at the opportunity to explain, jumped in. After listening patiently, Shafira peeled back her garments and admitted that "I am not a true Muslim." Hardly. In fact, she was a longtime Christian missionary in Muslim lands. She had been hired to explain at several of 150 annual "Perspectives" classes how such evangelism should be done. She gave her real name. (Throughout this article, for the safety of missionaries working in potentially hostile environments or returning to them, pseudonyms are used. They will be indicated on first usage by quotation marks. Many locations will also be omitted.)

Over the next three hours, "Barbara," minus her burqa, dispensed lists of comparisons between Jesus and Muhammad ("Jesus arose from the dead and is alive. Muhammad is dead.") and of dos and don'ts of ministering to Muslims. (Do listen to their story. Don't argue about Israel.) She projected a statement by U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft on a screen: "Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you." After his comment was publicized in late 2001, Ashcroft said it referred to terrorists and not to mainstream Muslims, but the point seemed lost on her. "Islam is the terrorist," Barbara asserted. "Muslims are the victim." The class ended in prayer. "We mourn the loss of life" in Iraq, someone said. Added Barbara: "We pray that the weapon of mass destruction, Islam, be torn down. Lord, we declare that your blood is enough to forgive every single Muslim. It is enough."


Find the rest of the article here.

[Anderson]

Of course they have to be undercover, in Islam a man and a woman can't be seen fully naked.

[Arabesque]

But they're not Muslims, you see. That's the twist in this story.

[MossadConspiracy]

seems like an unethical way to spread a religion. if they want to preach to muslims there are places where they can do it without lying to people. I've never heard of any other type of missionary groups doing this kind of thing

ws

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

seems like an unethical way to spread a religion. if they want to preach to muslims there are places where they can do it without lying to people. I've never heard of any other type of missionary groups doing this kind of thing

ws

When I was in Egypt these missionaries from England tried brainwashing this dumb Egyptian guy, they made him say "If Jesus is my saviour then let him show me a sign".....then he was asking me for advice.

The Egyptian dude was pretty weird though, he wanted to be mates with every westerner he met, he wanted a visa so bad it wouldn't suprise me if he accepted Jesus and started doing that tongue thing.

Originally Posted by Arabesque

But they're not Muslims, you see. That's the twist in this story.

I read the article....I was bumping it subtlely.

[MossadConspiracy]

missionaries from abroad come to egypt to convert poor muslims. muslims convert copts from all social levels, and copts can never manage to convert us. overall the ratio of muslims to christians in egypt continues to grow

but i was mainly talking about christian missionaries talking to muslims in the west if they feel like trying to convert muslims without telling lies and creating fake identities and all that other nonsense.

[LEGALEAGLE]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

missionaries from abroad come to egypt to convert poor muslims. muslims convert copts from all social levels, and copts can never manage to convert us. overall the ratio of muslims to christians in egypt continues to grow

but i was mainly talking about christian missionaries talking to muslims in the west if they feel like trying to convert muslims without telling lies and creating fake identities and all that other nonsense.

Hmm I'm dealing with one on another website at the moment who's pretending to be muslim. It's hilarious because some of the people who she's invited to a lunch have figured it out...

[Blue_Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

seems like an unethical way to spread a religion. if they want to preach to muslims there are places where they can do it without lying to people. I've never heard of any other type of missionary groups doing this kind of thing

ws

It IS unethical. Really, if you're resorting to using these techniques to spread your religion, what does that say about the religion you're spreading? I'd say it was a religion that couldn't stand against scrutiny and that it encouraged dishonesty.

[Macaca]

I hate these missionaries.
Like the Korean ones....the taliban shouldn't release them. They were there to preach Christianity in a Muslim country and because of that they should be punished.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by Macaca

I hate these missionaries.
Like the Korean ones....the taliban shouldn't release them. They were there to preach Christianity in a Muslim country and because of that they should be punished.

I don't know, I think going to Afghanistan is punishment enough.

[FMROMMEL]

Originally Posted by Macaca

I hate these missionaries.
Like the Korean ones....the taliban shouldn't release them. They were there to preach Christianity in a Muslim country and because of that they should be punished.

I guess you would have no problem with non muslim countries taking muslims hostages\killing muslims for trying to convert non muslims...............Right?

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Macaca

I hate these missionaries.
Like the Korean ones....the taliban shouldn't release them. They were there to preach Christianity in a Muslim country and because of that they should be punished.

no they shouldnt, even if they were there preaching (which they probably werent)

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Blue_Phoenix

It IS unethical. Really, if you're resorting to using these techniques to spread your religion, what does that say about the religion you're spreading? I'd say it was a religion that couldn't stand against scrutiny and that it encouraged dishonesty.

yeah thats the point.

If you have to lie and deceive your way into people's confidence in order to spread your religion then you obviously have no confidence that it can stand on its own merits

likewise if you have to intimidate or hurt people to keep conversions from happening, then you obviously have no confidence in your religion

ws

[Macaca]

Mossad they were preaching,even teaching afghan children hyms!

[MossadConspiracy]

Originally Posted by Macaca

Mossad they were preaching,even teaching afghan children hyms!

says who???

Even if they were, that is not grounds to kidnap and murder them. If you taught an islamic song to some kid here in the USA nobody would be justified in killing you either.

But theres no proof that they were or werent doing what you just said they were

ws