Muslim friends make Diwali bright for Hindu family

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

No offense, brother, but I read your posts and your extreme nature is starting to wear my patience.

Ooooh Here we go again...Someone always wants to Go waaay off topic and Debate me.

WHy don't we all just make a thread so everyone can list their Grievances huh?
Since I'm always the debate topic why not make one biiig thread where everyone just lists everything thats wrong with me huh?

I almost replied to your post a few days ago...but I wasn't feeling up to it...too good of a mood...

Well its gone now...

We as Muslims and as human beings are obliged to follow the Quran and an Islamic way of life. However, how you follow this way of life and what it should entail is open to interpretation in many ways.

Not to go as far as to making Haram Halal.

My main point in writing this to you is regarding your posts about this topic. Whether they are kaffir or monkeys or dogs or whatever, these people are HUMAN BEINGS,as are we. I doubt Allah swt would really approve of you disrespecting and mistreating other human beings in a wrongful manner. Regardless of their faith, you have an obligation to be nice and respectful. Since you are so up to date on religious dogma, what about the story of the Prophet Muhammad's (swt) Jewish neighbor, who kept throwing trash in front of his door, day after day? And when he didn't for a few days, the Prophet (saw) actually went over to visit him and ask him if he was ill (which he was?). His behavior says it all.

Actually Monkeys and Dogs are not people...
I never mistreated anyone, never disrespected anyone.

All I said was that muslims shouldn't celebrate a polytheistic holy day.
EVERY THING WE DO AS MUSLIMS IS A FORM OF WORSHIP.

Hindus practice shirk, Celebrating their holy day would be celebrating their Gods.

LA ILAHA IL ALLAH.

Why would you violate this to "be with friends"
Or to party.

Originally Posted by Affa

I just wanted to ask a quick question.

What if you have Hindu friends and they are holding a big Diwali party and you are invited and you go. Would that be classed as celebrating Diwali with them or just going for the food and atmosphere and friends?

Hope this answers your question...

Now back to the cynic.

Maybe I have a skewed view than you have...I personally have stopped believing in this la-la idea that just because someone is a Muslim, it does not mean they are better than others. In fact, no offense to anyone, but most people who have screwed me over, lied, cheated, hurt me, etc...were Muslims from Third World Countries. Of course, there's a lot of donkeys in the world to begin with, but I am definitely not going to sit here and say WE are better than anyone else. There's also a cultural problem here....I'm sorry to say.

Maybe you do...Hmmm So you've been hurt, the world has made you sad and now you hold a grudge against all your brothers and sisters?

True Idealists Never stop dreaming.
They Never stop Dreaming that one Dream Until it becomes a Reality.

You say A Cultural Problem?
The Problem is that people hold on to pre-Islamic Ideals.

They Don't let the quran become their guide.
They hold on to the Backwardness of Jahiliya.

If people hailed Islam as their culture, maybe you wouldn't have been screwed over?
Maybe Its time to start Dreaming again huh?

And while many of you will cry and complain that ohhh culture shouldn't be an issue and Islam should be our culture bla bla bla...this is NOT the case for most people and I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is so. The truth is, most people do allow cultural traits to affect their rationale and conduct.

This is the problem, CULTURE SHOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE.
You've said yourself that cultural differences are why your muslim brothers and sisters screwed you over so.

Why not strive to Unite all these cultures?
Maybe this should be your dream.

My point in this tirade of mine is that you need to be more in the middle when it comes to rationalizing issues. I appreciate your zeal and hope that you will live your life as close as you can to our faith. However, I would advise you not to get stuck in one end in particular. Being too extreme is not good, as is being too liberal is not good. Try to see the best of all things. Not all "kaffir" are bad, and not all Muslims are "good".

Nowadays, seems that a lot of Muslims are such in "name only".

wa salam

Hmmm If you apreciated zeal then why the Tirade?
Why waste my time and yours?

Extreme and Liberal are both adjectives both being subjective.

They have different meanings for different people.
Some people may see YOU as Extreme, Some see YOU as liberal.
Yet Unlike you I'm not going to Go of on a tangent and talk about your views.

All that call themselves Muslims are my brothers and sisters,
They Are My Family.

They are dearer and better to me than anything else.
Thats why you never give up on them.

Because Every Muslim Is Good.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

but you said its haram, meaning forbidden by allah. why would allah create a dog if its forbidden then? on top of it, your only sources are from hadeeth, which most of it is hearsay to begin with. on top of that, your interpretation is very questionable. these were simply the prophet's likes and dislikes. he probably didnt like dogs, that doesnt mean its haram. after all you can still keep one as a guard dog. thats why most people keep dogs for anyways. in fact, petting animals, such as dogs, can decrease your heart rate, which is invaluable for people with high blood pressure. which is why i find it laughable that you claim that touching a dog is haram haha.

Why would ALLAH(SWT) create grapes?
Why would ALLAH(SWT) create olives?
Why would ALLAH(SWT) create grain?

In Islam, the grape is not to be fermented.
The Grain should not become beer.
The olives should not become wine.

ALLAH(SWT) gave us these things.

MAN corrupted them
Just as he did with the boar and the Wolf.
ALLAH(SWT) created wolves.
'
Human beings bastardized them.
Human beings turned against ALLAH(SWT) when they made the wolf subservient to him.

Just As Man Did with the Boar, He Turned a killing machine into a houshold Demon.

The Wolf Became the Dog.
And the Boar became the Pig.

and stop with the Medical Crap...Western Doctors claim anything and everything to be good for something.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

i have pointed this out too, that saiddarfur's beliefs are very extreme. too extreme. he even attends my mosque sometime.

Not much anymore...

funny story behind that, a guy who used to attend my mosque, started bashing it callling it 'tablighi' and calling it 'wrong way, i refuse to pray there anymore'. all because the mosque is tablighi jamaat? and guess who he learned this from? he started attending a wahabi mosque, surprise surprise, and guess which one that was mr darfur? why it was mcc. this is what these loonies over there were teaching him.

Why even include me in a story I have no part in?

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Revert

Pigs are natural garbage disposals, they turn land and are very useful to those interested in agriculture.Its only Hraam to consume a Pig not to touch it. Dogs are useful Guardians, hunting partners and some Canines (Huskies) can pull sleds.

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

If he forbids something then don't deny it.

dog are disgusting as well, there is nothing a pig does a dog doesn't.

If they were allowed why would the angels despise it?

[Nowiknowwhat]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

If he forbids something then don't deny it.

dog are disgusting as well, there is nothing a pig does a dog doesn't.

If they were allowed why would the angels despise it?

I thought that the sahaba used dogs to guard their caves when they were hiding out. There is nothing that says dogs are disgusting. Only that people shouldn't keep them at home.

[Nowiknowwhat]

Originally Posted by Nowiknowwhat

I thought that the sahaba used dogs to guard their caves when they were hiding out. There is nothing that says dogs are disgusting. Only that people shouldn't keep them at home.

Here, this is what I thought.

Dogs in Islam

Many Muslims have misunderstood Islam’s teachings regarding dogs, and this misunderstanding has led to the mistreatment of these animals. The Prophet said, “Purifying a container that a dog has licked (in order for human’s to use it) is done by washing it seven times, the first washing being with dirt.”2 However, according to some scholars, a dog’s fur is considered pure3. Nonetheless, Muslims are discouraged from keeping dogs inside their homes, as the Prophet has been reported as saying that angels do not enter into a house that has a dog4.

However, just because one does not keep a dog inside the home and doesn’t drink after it, that does not give one the right to neglect it, mistreat it, or kill it. The usefulness of this creature of God is indisputable. No other animal can compete with it in its loyalty to its caregiver, its abilities as a guard, and its talent for hunting. In fact, the Qur’an narrates in Surat Al-Kahf, or “The Cave,” the story of some pious youths who took refuge in a cave from the persecution and violence of the unbelievers. That these righteous people had a dog with them, and the fact that Allah mentions the dog and counts the dog among them, indicates that dogs are permitted to live among people. [And you would have thought them awake, whereas they were asleep. And We turned them on their right and on their left sides, and their dog stretching forth his two forelegs at the entrance (of the cave as a guard)] (Al-Kahf 18:18).

So dogs may be used for guards as well as for hunting, as the Qur’an also states: [They ask you about what is lawful for them (as food); Say: Lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure: and those beasts and birds of prey which you have trained as hounds, training and teaching them (to catch) in a manner as directed to you by Allah; so eat what they catch for you, but pronounce the name of Allah over it and fear Allah, for Allah is swift in reckoning] (Al-Ma’idah 5:4).

In two separate hadiths narrated by Abu Hurayrah (the cat-loving Companion), the Prophet told his Companions of the virtue of saving the life of a dog by giving it water and quenching its thirst: one referred to was a man who was blessed by Allah for giving water to a thirsty dog. The other was a prostitute, who filled her shoe with water and gave it to a dog that was lolling its tongue in thirst. For this deed she was granted the ultimate reward: eternal Paradise.

Islam asks people to reflect upon this and be aware of each person’s duty toward God’s creatures, which He has put on earth for our use, not for our abuse. When the Prophet was asked if God rewarded acts of charity to the animals, he replied, “Yes, there is a reward for acts of charity to every beast alive.”

Hediyah Al-Amin is a Muslim-American teacher of Islamic Studies and Islamic Culture at the Qatar Center for the Presentation of Islam.

From Islam Online

[Nowiknowwhat]

okie dokie.

[psychoteddybear]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Ooooh Here we go again...Someone always wants to Go waaay off topic and Debate me.

WHy don't we all just make a thread so everyone can list their Grievances huh?
Since I'm always the debate topic why not make one biiig thread where everyone just lists everything thats wrong with me huh?

I almost replied to your post a few days ago...but I wasn't feeling up to it...too good of a mood...

Well its gone now...

If you're going to write extreme trash, then I will "go off topic and debate you." Yes. I see you're 16...whether you'd like to admit it or not, you know nothing about life and until you've lived a bit more, I will be tolerant towards your way but of course I do not support it.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Not to go as far as to making Haram Halal.

what exactly is haram here? that they're doing a good act for another human being, a family...so let's see if you see a blind or starving or dying homeless man on the street, you won't stop and help them because they're not Muslim??? People like you are the reason why non-Muslims dislike our faith so much...you're way off on the deep end, kid.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Actually Monkeys and Dogs are not people...
I never mistreated anyone, never disrespected anyone.

NO, but we are obliged to treat animals and plants with respect too.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

All I said was that muslims shouldn't celebrate a polytheistic holy day.
EVERY THING WE DO AS MUSLIMS IS A FORM OF WORSHIP.

dear Allah, where did it say in that article these people were WORSHIPPING diwali??? all they did was respect the beliefs of their neighbors, (as wrong as you or they or anyone might think they are) and brought a little joy into their lives. That, in itself, is how a MUSLIM should act: with respect, kindness, and dignity.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Hindus practice shirk, Celebrating their holy day would be celebrating their Gods.

silly child, again, show me where in that article does it say these muslims WORSHIPPED diwali along this family.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Why would you violate this to "be with friends"
Or to party.

excuse me????

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Hope this answers your question...

no it doesn't simpleton.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Maybe you do...Hmmm So you've been hurt, the world has made you sad and now you hold a grudge against all your brothers and sisters?

you are really irritating and narrow minded aren't you. I respect anyone who treats me with respect and vice versa. I respect Muslims because they are Muslims, but if they do me wrong, I will of course keep my distance and erase them from my life. you've seriously got to be joking...a grudge? a sign of the extreme nature that you posses...poor kid. those people you listen to...tell me, are they really wahabis at Got5onit says?

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

True Idealists Never stop dreaming.
They Never stop Dreaming that one Dream Until it becomes a Reality.

your point?

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

You say A Cultural Problem?
The Problem is that people hold on to pre-Islamic Ideals.

They Don't let the quran become their guide.
They hold on to the Backwardness of Jahiliya.

If people hailed Islam as their culture, maybe you wouldn't have been screwed over?
Maybe Its time to start Dreaming again huh?

OH REALLY...LOL what do you think i've been saying, kid? read more carefully before you post stupidity.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

This is the problem, CULTURE SHOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE.
You've said yourself that cultural differences are why your muslim brothers and sisters screwed you over so.

Why not strive to Unite all these cultures?
Maybe this should be your dream.

maybe if you were a bit older, had more life experience, and had seen the world you would realize that cultures will never unite.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Hmmm If you apreciated zeal then why the Tirade?
Why waste my time and yours?

because you are an irrational, inexperienced child that needs to be told wassup.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Because Every Muslim Is Good.

I have nothing against Muslims, I have a problem with Muslims who are idiots.

Grow up, brother. You've got a learn to learn about debating and about life in general.

May Allah swt help you and help you to get back on the moderate, normal path...extremism is NEVER good.

wa salam

[psychoteddybear]

Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

No offense, brother, but I read your posts and your extreme nature is starting to wear my patience.

We as Muslims and as human beings are obliged to follow the Quran and an Islamic way of life. However, how you follow this way of life and what it should entail is open to interpretation in many ways.

My main point in writing this to you is regarding your posts about this topic. Whether they are kaffir or monkeys or dogs or whatever, these people are HUMAN BEINGS,as are we. I doubt Allah swt would really approve of you disrespecting and mistreating other human beings in a wrongful manner. Regardless of their faith, you have an obligation to be nice and respectful. Since you are so up to date on religious dogma, what about the story of the Prophet Muhammad's (swt) Jewish neighbor, who kept throwing trash in front of his door, day after day? And when he didn't for a few days, the Prophet (saw) actually went over to visit him and ask him if he was ill (which he was?). His behavior says it all.

Maybe I have a skewed view than you have...I personally have stopped believing in this la-la idea that just because someone is a Muslim, it does not mean they are better than others. In fact, no offense to anyone, but most people who have screwed me over, lied, cheated, hurt me, etc...were Muslims from Third World Countries. Of course, there's a lot of donkeys in the world to begin with, but I am definitely not going to sit here and say WE are better than anyone else. There's also a cultural problem here....I'm sorry to say.

And while many of you will cry and complain that ohhh culture shouldn't be an issue and Islam should be our culture bla bla bla...this is NOT the case for most people and I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is so. The truth is, most people do allow cultural traits to affect their rationale and conduct.

My point in this tirade of mine is that you need to be more in the middle when it comes to rationalizing issues. I appreciate your zeal and hope that you will live your life as close as you can to our faith. However, I would advise you not to get stuck in one end in particular. Being too extreme is not good, as is being too liberal is not good. Try to see the best of all things. Not all "kaffir" are bad, and not all Muslims are "good".

Nowadays, seems that a lot of Muslims are such in "name only".

wa salam

reread my post again with an open mind and without infusing your extremist crap in your answers. i don't think i said anything wrong and unislamic here.

wa salam

[Revert]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Pigs kill people, Dogs kill people

Pigs and dogs were never meant to be domesticated.

Tell that to the many Sahaba who kept Dogs for the reasons I listed.

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

If he forbids something then don't deny it.

dog are disgusting as well, there is nothing a pig does a dog doesn't.

If they were allowed why would the angels despise it?

Pigs are forbidden to EAT, they not forbidden for agricultural use. Dogs are not forbidden to use as Guards or for herding. Check your facts bro.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

a sign of the extreme nature that you posses...poor kid. those people you listen to...tell me, are they really wahabis at Got5onit says?

yes, because the mosque that i am speaking about, i grew up there. i have been going there since 1987, long before darfur was even born. this is thier website MCC Chicago and i can tell wahabi propoganda when i see it. i know it, because i was one of them once.

and no these muslim villagers were not worshipping anything. it was more like attending someone else's party, or festivities. in the same sense you or i would attend a office christmas party. the point was, they were just trying to make these people feel better, because they had no one else to celebrate with, since they were the only hindus in the entire village.

and i admit, i dont like hindus or sikhs. i find them wierd, odd, radically different from us. the hindu muslim divide is the reason why there is a pakistan to begin with. i myself have witnessed plenty of riots. i have traveled across India finding Muslims everywhere, who have a huge resentment towards Hindus. my younger cousin when he was a kid, many years ago, had a pet dog, he named the dog after a hindu idol , ram, believe it or not. this is how huge the animosity runs.

but as to what i have written to before, when i said that Islam is our culture, well i think it is. many of the practices of Hindus are radically different from Muslims, even though if we are all Indian. and it is this cultural difference is the reason behind partition. muslims parted ways with hindus, because we are different from them. the muslim league, the very founders of pakistan stated that hindus and muslims are two seperate cultures, two seperate nations, seperate in just about everything.

and you can watch this scene for yourself, but it really does move me to tears when i do see it. When the very founder of Pakistan, Jinnah had to face his only child's marriage, his daughter dina (who is now 88 years old btw) and she set to marry a parsi (zorastrian) her father was dead set against it. He replied 'but there are millions of Muslim boys in India", To which her daughter replied 'but you married mama and she was a parsi", and he told her but she became a Muslim, and when she said that her fiance would not become a Muslim, jinnah told her you can longer call yourself my daughter. and when she said why, i think everything that i ever wrote about was summed up in his very simple reply.

he said "because it is against OUR customs, it is against OUR traditions, i have fought for a muslim state and my daughter marries outside the faith!"

what did he mean by this 'our'? 'our customs', 'our traditions'? he meant muslim customs, muslim tradition. Jinnah was not a religious leader, he was certainly not a fanatic. the man spoke english with a british accent, and wore three piece suits. he wasnt even a sunni, he was a shia ismaili (agha khani). he was nothing more than a politician and a lawyer.

YouTube - The Story of Jinnah, the Founder of Pakistan - Part 7 and you can watch the scene here starting at 3:55

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Muslim friends make Diwali bright for Hindu family: IBNLive.com > Videos here is the video report, take a look at it yourself. the reporter, mufti islah is himself a muslim. just ignore the commercial that comes up first. and if you watch the video, you will see that those muslim kids were not holding candles, they were lighting sparklers lol, and fireworks. i see no harm in that. in fact, many hindu festivals involve the use of firecrackers, similar to the chinese new year and kids, muslim too, often use the occasion to light off fireworks just for amusement. the way we would on the 4th of july.

[Affa]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Ooooh Here we go again...Someone always wants to Go waaay off topic and Debate me.

WHy don't we all just make a thread so everyone can list their Grievances huh?
Since I'm always the debate topic why not make one biiig thread where everyone just lists everything thats wrong with me huh?

I almost replied to your post a few days ago...but I wasn't feeling up to it...too good of a mood...

Well its gone now...





Not to go as far as to making Haram Halal.



Actually Monkeys and Dogs are not people...
I never mistreated anyone, never disrespected anyone.

All I said was that muslims shouldn't celebrate a polytheistic holy day.
EVERY THING WE DO AS MUSLIMS IS A FORM OF WORSHIP.

Hindus practice shirk, Celebrating their holy day would be celebrating their Gods.

LA ILAHA IL ALLAH.

Why would you violate this to "be with friends"
Or to party.



Hope this answers your question...

Now back to the cynic.




Maybe you do...Hmmm So you've been hurt, the world has made you sad and now you hold a grudge against all your brothers and sisters?

True Idealists Never stop dreaming.
They Never stop Dreaming that one Dream Until it becomes a Reality.

You say A Cultural Problem?
The Problem is that people hold on to pre-Islamic Ideals.

They Don't let the quran become their guide.
They hold on to the Backwardness of Jahiliya.

If people hailed Islam as their culture, maybe you wouldn't have been screwed over?
Maybe Its time to start Dreaming again huh?



This is the problem, CULTURE SHOULD NOT BE THE ISSUE.
You've said yourself that cultural differences are why your muslim brothers and sisters screwed you over so.

Why not strive to Unite all these cultures?
Maybe this should be your dream.

Hmmm If you apreciated zeal then why the Tirade?
Why waste my time and yours?

Extreme and Liberal are both adjectives both being subjective.

They have different meanings for different people.
Some people may see YOU as Extreme, Some see YOU as liberal.
Yet Unlike you I'm not going to Go of on a tangent and talk about your views.

All that call themselves Muslims are my brothers and sisters,
They Are My Family.

They are dearer and better to me than anything else.
Thats why you never give up on them.

Because Every Muslim Is Good.

Where was my question answered in your post? I didn't find it.

Anyway, someone else can you simply just answer a question for me that I asked. Is it wrong to attend a party of other religious festivals other than your own?

[GOTFIVEONIT]

i dont think it is, because you are just standing there and eating with them. for example, if you went to attend a garba, which is usually held right around this time anyways, and all you did was just stand and watch, your not taking part in the festival itself. but if you started dancing around the idol the way those hindus do at those garba festivals then that in itself would be wrong. i personally stay clear away from garba's even though i know many guys who are muslim who do attend them, usually just to hit on girls to be honest with you.

the late yasser arafat used to attend midnight christmas eve mass, with his christian wife, suha arafat, in bethlahem every year till the isrealis barred him from doing so in 2000. he even vowed to 'walk if he had to', thats how strong he felt about it.

even now, im not sure exactly, but i think mahmoud abass, the current palestinian president, still does attend those christmas eve mass in his place. th