Muslim friends make Diwali bright for Hindu family

[psychoteddybear]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Kicking puppies isn't very anti-christmas...Plus touching dogs is haraam....

A labor strike would be more fitting....(if you don't get it you phail)



I didn't defecate their nice actions, I just said, how bout they just do the deed and not celebrate it?

No offense, brother, but I read your posts and your extreme nature is starting to wear my patience.

We as Muslims and as human beings are obliged to follow the Quran and an Islamic way of life. However, how you follow this way of life and what it should entail is open to interpretation in many ways.

My main point in writing this to you is regarding your posts about this topic. Whether they are kaffir or monkeys or dogs or whatever, these people are HUMAN BEINGS,as are we. I doubt Allah swt would really approve of you disrespecting and mistreating other human beings in a wrongful manner. Regardless of their faith, you have an obligation to be nice and respectful. Since you are so up to date on religious dogma, what about the story of the Prophet Muhammad's (swt) Jewish neighbor, who kept throwing trash in front of his door, day after day? And when he didn't for a few days, the Prophet (saw) actually went over to visit him and ask him if he was ill (which he was?). His behavior says it all.

Maybe I have a skewed view than you have...I personally have stopped believing in this la-la idea that just because someone is a Muslim, it does not mean they are better than others. In fact, no offense to anyone, but most people who have screwed me over, lied, cheated, hurt me, etc...were Muslims from Third World Countries. Of course, there's a lot of donkeys in the world to begin with, but I am definitely not going to sit here and say WE are better than anyone else. There's also a cultural problem here....I'm sorry to say.

And while many of you will cry and complain that ohhh culture shouldn't be an issue and Islam should be our culture bla bla bla...this is NOT the case for most people and I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is so. The truth is, most people do allow cultural traits to affect their rationale and conduct.

My point in this tirade of mine is that you need to be more in the middle when it comes to rationalizing issues. I appreciate your zeal and hope that you will live your life as close as you can to our faith. However, I would advise you not to get stuck in one end in particular. Being too extreme is not good, as is being too liberal is not good. Try to see the best of all things. Not all "kaffir" are bad, and not all Muslims are "good".

Nowadays, seems that a lot of Muslims are such in "name only".

wa salam

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Sayyidna Abu Talha (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture. (Sahih Bukhari Hadith no. 2986)


Sayyidna Ibn Abbas (Radhiyallaahu Ánhuma) reports from Sayyidna Maimoona (Radhiyallaahu Ánha) that once Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) became sad; and said that Jibra'eel (Álayhis Salaam) promised to meet him at night but did not turn up. "By Allah what has kept him back," said the Prophet (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam). Then he realised a puppy was under his bed. He ordered that the puppy be removed and the area be sprinkled with water. In the afternoon when Jibra'eel (Álayhi Salaam) came, Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) enquired as to the delay. Jibra'eel (Álayhi
Salaam) said that we, the group of Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or pictures. (Sahih Muslim Hadith no.3928)

but you said its haram, meaning forbidden by allah. why would allah create a dog if its forbidden then? on top of it, your only sources are from hadeeth, which most of it is hearsay to begin with. on top of that, your interpretation is very questionable. these were simply the prophet's likes and dislikes. he probably didnt like dogs, that doesnt mean its haram. after all you can still keep one as a guard dog. thats why most people keep dogs for anyways. in fact, petting animals, such as dogs, can decrease your heart rate, which is invaluable for people with high blood pressure. which is why i find it laughable that you claim that touching a dog is haram haha.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by psychoteddybear

No offense, brother, but I read your posts and your extreme nature is starting to wear my patience.

We as Muslims and as human beings are obliged to follow the Quran and an Islamic way of life. However, how you follow this way of life and what it should entail is open to interpretation in many ways.

My main point in writing this to you is regarding your posts about this topic. Whether they are kaffir or monkeys or dogs or whatever, these people are HUMAN BEINGS,as are we. I doubt Allah swt would really approve of you disrespecting and mistreating other human beings in a wrongful manner. Regardless of their faith, you have an obligation to be nice and respectful. Since you are so up to date on religious dogma, what about the story of the Prophet Muhammad's (swt) Jewish neighbor, who kept throwing trash in front of his door, day after day? And when he didn't for a few days, the Prophet (saw) actually went over to visit him and ask him if he was ill (which he was?). His behavior says it all.

Maybe I have a skewed view than you have...I personally have stopped believing in this la-la idea that just because someone is a Muslim, it does not mean they are better than others. In fact, no offense to anyone, but most people who have screwed me over, lied, cheated, hurt me, etc...were Muslims from Third World Countries. Of course, there's a lot of donkeys in the world to begin with, but I am definitely not going to sit here and say WE are better than anyone else. There's also a cultural problem here....I'm sorry to say.

And while many of you will cry and complain that ohhh culture shouldn't be an issue and Islam should be our culture bla bla bla...this is NOT the case for most people and I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is so. The truth is, most people do allow cultural traits to affect their rationale and conduct.

My point in this tirade of mine is that you need to be more in the middle when it comes to rationalizing issues. I appreciate your zeal and hope that you will live your life as close as you can to our faith. However, I would advise you not to get stuck in one end in particular. Being too extreme is not good, as is being too liberal is not good. Try to see the best of all things. Not all "kaffir" are bad, and not all Muslims are "good".

Nowadays, seems that a lot of Muslims are such in "name only".

wa salam

i have pointed this out too, that saiddarfur's beliefs are very extreme. too extreme. he even attends my mosque sometime.

funny story behind that, a guy who used to attend my mosque, started bashing it callling it 'tablighi' and calling it 'wrong way, i refuse to pray there anymore'. all because the mosque is tablighi jamaat? and guess who he learned this from? he started attending a wahabi mosque, surprise surprise, and guess which one that was mr darfur? why it was mcc. this is what these loonies over there were teaching him.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

as for this story. they were just lighting candles and nothing more. on top of that, it wasnt culture at all, this family simply happend to be the only non-muslim family in thier village. so since it was their holiday, they just simply attended thier celebrations to make them feel more welcome and at home since they had no one else to celebrate it with. it would belike attending a christmas party or something. your not celebrating the holiday, but you are giving comfort to those who are celebrating it. which is what these villagers were simply doing. most of what they did anyways, was simply to gather up donations and pool their money to help these people buy candles, since they were too poor to afford any on thier own. after all, even the late president of palestine, yasser arafat, used to attend the christmas eve mass on bethlaham with his christian wife, and mahmoud abass still attends it in his place today. they dont take part in the worship, they simply go, stand and observe the celebrations and nothing more. in fact i remember back in 2000 when the isrealis were barring arafat from even attending the christmas eve mass, and he vowed to 'walk to bethlaham if he had to', thier excuse was 'yasser arafat is not a christian therefore they are not violating any of his religious rights'.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Affa

I just wanted to ask a quick question.

What if you have Hindu friends and they are holding a big Diwali party and you are invited and you go. Would that be classed as celebrating Diwali with them or just going for the food and atmosphere and friends?

there's nothing wrong with that, because you are not celebrating it, they are celebrating it. your just attending thier dinner thats it. but i do have a problem when i do see thier idols and they start praying to it and all that.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

That shows your youthful impetulence there buddy. Touching dogs is not a Haraam action its will make you najas for Salat but its not Haraam. Becareful with the label of Haraam as naming something that clearly isn't can make yuou one of the people you despise the most, the kuffar. ALso the Hadith you quoted did not state any of the things you claimed, be careful with quoting things out of context.

How about you put yourself in the place of that community, for a second. They are the only hindu family in the village, surrounded by all those Muslims. The Muslims give them money and make them feel welcome during one of their most celebrated times, they see the good in the Muslims and then convert. If the Muslims acted like you are telling them too, by giving them the money and going on their way, thats not very charitable, its actually more heartless than letting them starve.

that's very beautifully put. but actually they were not starving, they were just too poor to afford to buy the huge amounts of candles they needed for thier celebration. diwali is called the 'festival of lights' for hindus, where they light up alot of candles. it actually looks pretty nice seeing all those candles around.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Aryan_

He's gone native.

not really. its not like they did it all on thier own. they simply donated money to the only hindu family in thier village because the people were just too poor to afford to buy candles themselves. so they just wanted to make them feel at home thats all. if they all started celebrating diwali on thier own, then thats a different issue altogether. in fact one contention i have is when many muslim girls start giving 'rakhis' to brothers on that hindu holiday. rakhi is when a sister ties a band around her brother's arm or wrist. and many muslims do this all on thier own, and thats wrong, because then you are practicing another religion's custom all on your own. but what these villagers did was they were not celebrating diwali on thier own as if it were their own holiday, they were helping thier people celebrate thier holiday.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Maybe I have a skewed view than you have...I personally have stopped believing in this la-la idea that just because someone is a Muslim, it does not mean they are better than others. In fact, no offense to anyone, but most people who have screwed me over, lied, cheated, hurt me, etc...were Muslims from Third World Countries. Of course, there's a lot of donkeys in the world to begin with, but I am definitely not going to sit here and say WE are better than anyone else. There's also a cultural problem here....I'm sorry to say.

And while many of you will cry and complain that ohhh culture shouldn't be an issue and Islam should be our culture bla bla bla...this is NOT the case for most people and I'm not going to sit here and pretend that this is so. The truth is, most people do allow cultural traits to affect their rationale and conduct.

you are absolutly right. someone used to say to me 'islam is the best, but we muslims can be the worst'. i think i should explain myself when i bring up culture alot.

i grew up in an enviornment that really doesnt like religion at all. in fact they mock it. ill be very honest with you. i get called mullah just attending jummah. i come from a family of culturalists. my entire family clan is like this. they believe that culture is way more important than anything islamic.

and one of the biggest contentions that i have is the cultures obsession with money, class and status. because i just cant stand it. and thats one reason why i bring up this issue alot because where do south asian muslims get this nonsense from? they get it from the pagan hindu customs of caste and class. even to the point they think that whoever has the most money is like a king to be worshipped. and then on top of that, south asian muslims are extremely ethno-centric. they even view thier religious sect as if it were an ethnicity. people cannot even marry outside of thier sect. even among south asians, to my shock, they are still practicing the hindu caste, where people dont even marry outside of thier caste, believe it or not. in 1998 the afghani pashtoo's living in karachi, pakistan rioted for one whole week, that made international news. and why? because a desi muslim married an afghani girl. it didnt matter that they were both muslim, but their 'honor' was at stake, that someone outside of thier tribe, outside of thier ethnicity on top of it married on of 'their girls'. and this is the reason why bring up culture so much. because as you said, i read the quran, and i see the reality, and its two different things altogether and its wrong.

i have nothing against food, or dress, or the arts, literature, things like that, but just certain customs i just cant stand to deal with.

in fact much of the customs of the pagan arabs, still exist to this day. some of it good, some of it is not so good. the dress, the food etc i think these are wonderful things that shouldnt be forgotten or lost to the sands of time, but some customs are best to be forgotten, such as those saudi oil sheiks marrying thousands of wives.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

that's very beautifully put. but actually they were not starving, they were just too poor to afford to buy the huge amounts of candles they needed for thier celebration. diwali is called the 'festival of lights' for hindus, where they light up alot of candles. it actually looks pretty nice seeing all those candles around.

Oh okay then, yeah I have participated in Diwali stuff before..lighting the candles and stuff..I don't see the harm in this at all, especially sionce the people are impoverish and such. Its an act of kindness and thats what we as Msulims should do, be compassionate toward all fo Allahs creations, regardless of what they believe.

[WickedSam]

[quote=SaidAbdullahofDarfur;35836]Sayyidna Abu Talha (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture. (Sahih Bukhari Hadith no. 2986)

What??? We can't keep pictures?? Or an animate picture??

Interesting.

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

but you said its haram, meaning forbidden by allah. why would allah create a dog if its forbidden then?

Then why'd he create pigs??

Dogs smell.

Wasalaamzzzz

[GOTFIVEONIT]

[quote=WickedSam;36463]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Sayyidna Abu Talha (Radhiyallaahu Ánhu) reports that Rasulullah (Sallallaaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, "Angels do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or an animate picture. (Sahih Bukhari Hadith no. 2986)

What??? We can't keep pictures?? Or an animate picture??

Interesting.




Then why'd he create pigs??

Dogs smell.

Wasalaamzzzz

almost all animals smell, thats why they are animals. and touching a pig isnt haram lol, you simply cant eat one.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by WickedSam

Then why'd he create pigs??

Dogs smell.

Wasalaamzzzz

Pigs are natural garbage disposals, they turn land and are very useful to those interested in agriculture.Its only Hraam to consume a Pig not to touch it. Dogs are useful Guardians, hunting partners and some Canines (Huskies) can pull sleds.

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

Pigs are natural garbage disposals, they turn land and are very useful to those interested in agriculture.Its only Hraam to consume a Pig not to touch it. Dogs are useful Guardians, hunting partners and some Canines (Huskies) can pull sleds.

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

i was thinking the exact same thing.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Revert

Pigs are natural garbage disposals, they turn land and are very useful to those interested in agriculture.Its only Hraam to consume a Pig not to touch it. Dogs are useful Guardians, hunting partners and some Canines (Huskies) can pull sleds.

Never underestimate the infinite wisdom of Allah(swt).

Pigs kill people, Dogs kill people

Pigs and dogs were never meant to be domesticated.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Pigs kill people, Dogs kill people

Pigs and dogs were never meant to be domesticated.

hahaha, dog's have been with humans since the dawn of time. in fact anthropologists have found that dogs have walked out of the cave with men.

lions kill people, birds kill people, just about any animal can kill people.