will nationalism ever be solved in muslim countries?

[Dubai3000]

Our countries are plagued with nationalism. This is the reason we are so backwards as a people. Just to give example of pakistan, basically every other culture be it pathans,punjabis,sindhis,balochis etc.... think thier superior to each other. Even on small issues they start abusing each other and they become violent. Islam is almost no where to be found in the hearts of so many of these people. what is the solution? i think as the population rises it is becoming harder and harder to solve these differences and problems.

Once we get rid of the race nationalism, then there is the religious nationalism like Sunnis killing shias and vice versa, the wahabhis and all the other sects differences etc...

Basically its one problem after another

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by Dubai3000

Our countries are plagued with nationalism. This is the reason we are so backwards as a people. Just to give example of pakistan, basically every other culture be it pathans,punjabis,sindhis,balochis etc.... think thier superior to each other. Even on small issues they start abusing each other and they become violent. Islam is almost no where to be found in the hearts of so many of these people. what is the solution? i think as the population rises it is becoming harder and harder to solve these differences and problems.

Once we get rid of the race nationalism, then there is the religious nationalism like Sunnis killing shias and vice versa, the wahabhis and all the other sects differences etc...

Basically its one problem after another

Over here in the U.S they call it Patriotism

[Dubai3000]

^ country nationalism is different, i am talking about race nationalism

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Dubai3000

what is the solution? i think as the population rises it is becoming harder and harder to solve these differences and problems.

The solution is to put on some Bob Marely, light up your weed of choice and chillax.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by wheelworks

Over here in the U.S they call it Patriotism

Nationalism is very different to Patriotism. Patriotism denotes support or pride in your country. Nationalism is a set idealogy that promotes patriotic sentiments but is not in fact patriotism. They are seperated by the fact that on is a set idealogy and one is a feeling. Many political parties in the Arab world are Nationalistic to the Arab identity.. and this is what the OP is reffering to.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Dubai3000

^ country nationalism is different, i am talking about race nationalism

there's no such thing as race nationalism...

[albano]

Originally Posted by Revert

Nationalism is very different to Patriotism. Patriotism denotes support or pride in your country. Nationalism is a set idealogy that promotes patriotic sentiments but is not in fact patriotism. They are seperated by the fact that on is a set idealogy and one is a feeling. Many political parties in the Arab world are Nationalistic to the Arab identity.. and this is what the OP is reffering to.

I agree with Wheelworks. You can call it whatever but 'Patriotism' in US is Nationalism in 3 World Countries.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

there's no such thing as race nationalism...

i think what he means is ethnic nationalism like what occured in yugoslavia back in the 90's.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

i think what he means is ethnic nationalism like what occured in yugoslavia back in the 90's.

I see that, but thats not really nationalism.

[GOTFIVEONIT]

Originally Posted by Revert

I see that, but thats not really nationalism.

it is fascist nationalism.

[MossadConspiracy]

nope but its not a problem to begin with

ws

[Anderson]

Betaab/Dubai3000 is a racist anyway, but a few hadith on nationalism;

"There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight
of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece
of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of
the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man
is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are
the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust." (Abu Dawud)

"He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who
fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah." (Abu Dawud)

"Leave it (Nationalism). It is Rotten " (Bukhari)

So why are people nationalist?

- It gives you something to be proud about when you have no personal achievements to be proud of. Eg; A Mongol fug chick who has been hearing 'Mongol chicks are hot' all her life, not realising that generalisation doesn't necessarily apply to her and just Mongol chicks in general.

- It's a nice simple reason to hate someone. Your annoying neighbor is not annoying cos he's a jerk it's because he's a mongol and you're not.

-Chicks. It's hard enough meeting mongol chicks without some different foriegn guy trying to get with them and saturating the market.

- Deep rooted homosexual desires, self explanitory.

- Resentment at the superiority of a foriegn ideology or religion. Eg; Islam and Christianity are alien to Mongolia, but for some reason are very popular. Ancient pagan mongol culture is just as rich as Islam or any other religion.

- The emptiness left by atheism/secularism. If there is no God then Islamic unity is no longer relevant, you need something else to unify people against Mexicans who take your jobs.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

it is fascist nationalism.

Again its not nationalism.

For it to be nationalism it needs to be an idealogy that promotes affiliation to the nation state hence the term Nationalism.