Makka, luxury hotel, luxury mall.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Originally Posted by Revert

Let me give you a heads up Q-tip, the Computer you are using the Transportation you use daily the Fuel you use is all a by-product of Capitalism, unless you plan to live in a cave please stop with the hypocrisy.
The system is not in need of change, its the condition of people.

Hypocrite? Hardly,

The Computer I use is not a by product of capitalism.
It is a by product of Labor.

Same with transportation, I don't own a car I use public transportation which is a product of labor.

One doesn't need to live in a cave to be a socialist.
Yet If one sees something wrong,
Are we not supposed to Stop it with our hands, speak out against it, or at least know in our hearts it is wrong?

The thing is Revert, Capitalism doesn't produce, Labor does.
Capitalism, Exploits Labor.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Hypocrite? Hardly,

The Computer I use is not a by product of capitalism.
It is a by product of Labor.

Same with transportation, I don't own a car I use public transportation which is a product of labor.

One doesn't need to live in a cave to be a socialist.
Yet If one sees something wrong,
Are we not supposed to Stop it with our hands, speak out against it, or at least know in our hearts it is wrong?

The thing is Revert, Capitalism doesn't produce, Labor does.
Capitalism, Exploits Labor.

Dude, everything you use today is a byproduct of Capitalism. Even the AK-47s and American weapons the Taliban use are a byproduct of Capitalism. Labour and Capitalism are not mutually exclusive. Labour However can and does exist without Capitalism.

Think about how the Computer made it into the vast majority of houses in the USA, it wasn't by people making them. People could have made several Billion computers , but without the beast of Capitalism they would be sat in a warehouse somewhere near Bill Gates's house. Same with the Transport industry.

Everyone who works to earn a wage is playing into the hands of the Capitalists.


Like I have said millions of times, Capitalism is not the evil beast here, people are.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

The system of capital is a direct byproduct of these people you deem evil.

Goods and services are products of Labor, Capitalism exists only so that these "evil" people can take advantage of Labor.

Labor is what produces, Capitalism Is what was created to Exploit.


Earning a wage isn't playing into their hands.
Your wage is your right.

Its when these people in control take that right from you, when they try to make 'extra' profits by cutting your check.

This is capitalism at work.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Revert

Dude, everything you use today is a byproduct of Capitalism. Even the AK-47s... the Taliban use are a byproduct of Capitalism.

Not if they are surviving rifles from those nostalgic days of the Soviet Union. Unless you consider them to exist as a response to capitalism.


(sorry, just being difficult)

[Ugur]

Brother IbnMardhiyyah why are you being so arrogant and insulting toward people in this thread? I wish we could tell other people every necessary bit of information and opinion with utmost courtesy.

[IbnMardhiyah]

I'm sorry.

[Revert]

Originally Posted by Variable

Not if they are surviving rifles from those nostalgic days of the Soviet Union. Unless you consider them to exist as a response to capitalism.


(sorry, just being difficult)

Exactly..withou tCapitalism there would be no need for them..

Thanks for being difficult..jerk

[Revert]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

The system of capital is a direct byproduct of these people you deem evil.

Goods and services are products of Labor, Capitalism exists only so that these "evil" people can take advantage of Labor.

Labor is what produces, Capitalism Is what was created to Exploit.


Earning a wage isn't playing into their hands.
Your wage is your right.

Its when these people in control take that right from you, when they try to make 'extra' profits by cutting your check.

This is capitalism at work.

If you seriously think that you would be using half the stuff you use on a daily basis without Capitalism then I feel that you are slightly delusing yourself. Without Big Business to market these products half the people in the world would not have or need them(including your good self), this is why I called you a hypocrite.

[SaidAbdullahofDarfur]

Tell me please how I would be a hypocrite.

How am I doing one thing and saying another?

I advocate, workers owning the means of production,
and I buy things I need to survive in a industrial world,

Tell me how my getting by makes me a hypocrite?

Please tell me, because as I see it, the only hypocritical thing I can do, is try to own people.

Capitalism is akin to slavery after all...

[Revert]

Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur

Tell me please how I would be a hypocrite.

How am I doing one thing and saying another?

I advocate, workers owning the means of production,
and I buy things I need to survive in a industrial world,

Tell me how my getting by makes me a hypocrite?

Please tell me, because as I see it, the only hypocritical thing I can do, is try to own people.

Capitalism is akin to slavery after all...

I called you a hypocrite because you utilise products and services made possible by the advent of capitalism. Labour produced them yes but without the notion of Capitalism is what allowed these products/services to be available to the likes of you and me.

I have explained a few times in this thread how Capitalism spwaned these products, not Labour. I agree that Capitalism in its modern form (Greed is Good) is evil, However the whole notion of capitalising on an idea to turn a profit is not.

I don't beleive Socialism can work, unfortunately.

[ChotooMotoo]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

I'm sorry.

No problem. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say anyway. No hard feelings.

[Akram2]

lol what can you expect from saudis???

[Akram2]

I wish Makkah was still under the Ottomans, they would atleast have some respect for the place. This is such an ugly building which totally goes against the sprituality of the place.

Wasn't there a hadith or something that prophet (pbuh) said that at the end of times there will be tall buildings? or something like that. If that is true saudis definatly want the day of judgment near by building this so near to the house of Allah.

I am waiting for the day when they finally decide to destroy the kaaba, surely then muslims around the world would rise against them.

[Ayooshi]

Originally Posted by Dubai3000

And they built these things by destroying many ancient islamic places.

Asalamu Alaikum,

Its SO depressing. I read an article that listed all the amazing historic sites that were demolished for all this. Its very very sad.....

Fi AmanAllah

[wheelworks]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

I'm sorry.

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