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LONDON (Reuters) - A Kurdish woman was brutally raped, stamped on and strangled by members of her family and their friends in an "honor killing" carried out at her London home because she had fallen in love with the wrong man.

Banaz Mahmod, 20, was subjected to the 2-1/2 hour ordeal before she was garroted with a bootlace. Her body was stuffed into a suitcase and taken about 100 miles to Birmingham where it was buried in the back garden of a house.

Her badly decomposed body was found in April 2006, three months after the killing.

Last month a jury found her father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, and his brother Ari Mahmod, 51, guilty of murder after a three-month trial. Their associate Mohamad Hama, 30, had earlier admitted killing her.

On Thursday at a pre-sentence hearing for Hama, the Old Bailey heard details about Banaz's last moments.

Prosecutors said the three convicted men, along with two other suspects who are still at large, had carried out the killing fearing that the authorities were closing in on them.

They believed Banaz had brought shame on the family by leaving her husband, an Iraqi Kurd she had been forced to marry at 17, and falling in love with Rahmat Suleimani, an Iranian Kurd.

Her former unnamed partner had raped her as well as repeatedly beating her, the court heard.

Hama, who prosecutors said had been a ringleader in the murder, was caught by listening devices talking to a friend in prison about the murder.

In the recordings, transcripts of which were relayed to the court, Hama and his friend are hearing laughing as he described how she was killed with Banaz's uncle "supervising". "I was kicking and stamping on her neck to get the soul out. I saw her stark naked, only wearing pants or underwear," Hama is recorded as saying.

His lawyers say there is no evidence to support the prosecution's claims.

The decision to kill her came after a meeting on January 23 -- the day before she was murdered -- when the family decided to take action before the police could foil their attempts, said prosecutor Victor Temple.

Hama is due to be sentenced on Friday with Mahmod Mahmod and his brother, Ari.

[Sea_of_Roses]

freaking animals

[Skinwalker]

Unfortunately this sort of thing happens far too often. There must be a solution to this kind of thinking. I hear people say quite often in these forums that this is about culture not Islam. However, the culture is a part and parcel of their belief system that helps to justify their actions. Are Muslims taking practical steps to stamp this barbarity out? I saw and posted an article about women in some of the most powerful Arab families in Israel speaking out against honor killings after losing too many female members to this form of murder. At least that is a start, but more needs to be done. this crime happened in England but it is repeated in so many other places around the world. Does anyone have any suggestions about changing this thinking that leads to this? Where do we begin?

[Aryan_]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

Unfortunately this sort of thing happens far too often. There must be a solution to this kind of thinking. I hear people say quite often in these forums that this is about culture not Islam. However, the culture is a part and parcel of their belief system that helps to justify their actions. Are Muslims taking practical steps to stamp this barbarity out? I saw and posted an article about women in some of the most powerful Arab families in Israel speaking out against honor killings after losing too many female members to this form of murder. At least that is a start, but more needs to be done. this crime happened in England but it is repeated in so many other places around the world. Does anyone have any suggestions about changing this thinking that leads to this? Where do we begin?

Azad Kurdistan?

[PhDGirl]

How sad....

[roberto]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

Unfortunately this sort of thing happens far too often. There must be a solution to this kind of thinking. I hear people say quite often in these forums that this is about culture not Islam. However, the culture is a part and parcel of their belief system that helps to justify their actions. Are Muslims taking practical steps to stamp this barbarity out? I saw and posted an article about women in some of the most powerful Arab families in Israel speaking out against honor killings after losing too many female members to this form of murder. At least that is a start, but more needs to be done. this crime happened in England but it is repeated in so many other places around the world. Does anyone have any suggestions about changing this thinking that leads to this? Where do we begin?

Honour killing is just one of several barbaric actions, which is claimed to be purely a matter of culture

Where do we begin:


Perhaps rejection of attitudes of "denial", "it doesn't happen often" and well what about "Western acts of violence" would be a good way to start

[GOTFIVEONIT]

this is what happens we start viewing our women as property and become obssesesed with male honor as a result of it. guys really need to shed this whole male honor crap. i mean i know so many guys and i have no idea if they have sisters, and if they do how many, or what thier names are because i have never seen them.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT

this is what happens we start viewing our women as property and become obssesesed with male honor as a result of it. guys really need to shed this whole male honor crap. i mean i know so many guys and i have no idea if they have sisters, and if they do how many, or what thier names are because i have never seen them.

... ergo we should go around pimpin' our women just so you can see them and know their names?

Learn to make the critical difference between modesty and overkill, stupid retard.

[zzze]

assalamu alaykum

This is disgusting and I can only hope that the woman is granted jannah insha Allah. As for her murderers...Allah will deal with them on the day of Judgement, unless he sends someone to take care of them before then. Subhan Allah, disgusting, horrible humans.

[Skinwalker]

Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah

... ergo we should go around pimpin' our women just so you can see them and know their names?

Learn to make the critical difference between modesty and overkill, stupid retard.

I think that GOTFIVEONIT has a point and I don't see the relation between 'pimping' and his comments on not viewing women as property as a logical argument with the response of calling him a 'retard'. It is possible to have a discussion without reverting to insults isn't it?

[Kaminyu]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

Unfortunately this sort of thing happens far too often. There must be a solution to this kind of thinking. I hear people say quite often in these forums that this is about culture not Islam. However, the culture is a part and parcel of their belief system that helps to justify their actions. Are Muslims taking practical steps to stamp this barbarity out? I saw and posted an article about women in some of the most powerful Arab families in Israel speaking out against honor killings after losing too many female members to this form of murder. At least that is a start, but more needs to be done. this crime happened in England but it is repeated in so many other places around the world. Does anyone have any suggestions about changing this thinking that leads to this? Where do we begin?

"Honor killings" are a problem, but then again, so is killing in general, as well as a host of other societal vices, such as sex slavery, racism, drugs, etc. Honor killings are entirely cultural in origin, as are forced marriages and racism. Just because people are from the ME, doesn't mean that everything they do has to do with religion, specifically Islam.

Kurdish Yezidis commit "honor killings" too (remember the story of Khalil Aswad?), as do Christians in Africa. Even in Brazil, this happens.

It's a bit more widespread than just "ME-cultured Muslims".

Originally Posted by roberto

Honour killing is just one of several barbaric actions, which is claimed to be purely a matter of culture

Where do we begin:

Perhaps rejection of attitudes of "denial", "it doesn't happen often" and well what about "Western acts of violence" would be a good way to start

Or how about, "societal vices exist everywhere". How do you combat societal vices? By combatting ignorance, as these vices depend on it.

[IbnMardhiyah]

Originally Posted by Skinwalker

I think that GOTFIVEONIT has a point and I don't see the relation between 'pimping' and his comments on not viewing women as property as a logical argument with the response of calling him a 'retard'. It is possible to have a discussion without reverting to insults isn't it?

I'm far more familiar with GotFive's cultural background than you ever will be, and in his cultural background, its considered improper to mention your sisters' names in the presence of unrelated men without due reason, much less go around telling your friends the names of all your sisters and mom, or even "showing" them to your friends. This practice stems from Islamic values regarding modesty and privacy.

The pimping comment was referring to the term "dayyouth" which, in arabic, means pimp and in the Islamic context it specifically refers to a man who has no shame regarding his women in how they dress, talk, or display themselves in public, if in an immodest manner.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with Islam and its nuances before interfering in our matters.

Thanks for trying and have a nice day.

[the_only_one]

brother and father seems around same age...im starting to doubt the authenticity of this news...Allahu Alim...

[roberto]

[quote=Kaminyu;2104]"Honor killings" are a problem, but then again, so is killing in general, as well as a host of other societal vices, such as sex slavery, racism, drugs, etc. Honor killings are entirely cultural in origin, as are forced marriages and racism. Just because people are from the ME, doesn't mean that everything they do has to do with religion, specifically Islam.

Kurdish Yezidis commit "honor killings" too (remember the story of Khalil Aswad?), as do Christians in Africa. Even in Brazil, this happens.

It's a bit more widespread than just "ME-cultured Muslims".

Or how about, "societal vices exist everywhere". How do you combat societal vices? By combatting ignorance, as these vices depend on it

Yes as I said, face the reality and take action, your recommendation is one such action

[hershel_krustowski]

Originally Posted by roberto

Honour killing is just one of several barbaric actions, which is claimed to be purely a matter of culture

Where do we begin:

Perhaps, the pre christian, and then the christian cultures. We can go around the world from there.