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Interesting article...just helps to remind us the importance of modest dressing for the women esp.

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By CHRISTINA BINKLEY

Risky Business: Décolletage
At a Work Dinner
At Office Events,
Dress Is Tricky;
Sex in the Cortex
May 8, 2008; Page D10

When Michele Royalty wore a simple black strapless gown to a black-tie business dinner for her pharmaceutical company, she says, "I saw the CEO's eyes drop to my cleavage."

"Once a CEO is startled by seeing your cleavage, an image is set in his mind that is not going to disappear," says Ms. Royalty, who recently retired as an executive at the company. "I never wore that type of dress again."

Events like awards dinners and client cocktails can blur workplace rules -- including office dress codes. And since it's harder for men to embarrass themselves with evening wear, it's often women who reveal too much, leaving their clients or colleagues with indelible memories. The results can range from slight discomfort to a huge misunderstanding.

HOW TO GET THE LOOK RIGHT AT NIGHT


So what to wear to that coming business awards dinner?
Many professionals look to a small group of designers who produce trustworthy evening wear for businesswomen, including Giorgio Armani, St. John, Oscar de la Renta, and Escada. Other designers to look for include Badgley Mischka Platinum Label, Etro, Adrienne Landau, Carolina Herrera and Donna Karan.
Look for outfits that are dressy but cover the same parts of your body that you cover at work. Spiff up a business suit with bigger jewelry and dressy shoes. Or buy an evening jacket of silk, organza, brocade or beaded material -- some Web sites like saksfifthavenue.com1 have a separate category for evening-wear jackets -- to dress up a well-cut office dress.
Whatever your profession -- advertising, the arts, or the financial industry -- keep it in mind when you're shopping. Don't buy at the last minute, when it's easy to make mistakes: "You should have those things already in your wardrobe and you should have test-driven them already," stylist Patty Fox advises.
There's nothing like a good pair of sleeves and a collar for keeping minds on business. Says Evelinda Urman, a Denver, Colo., image consultant: "If you look down and see your cleavage, so can all the men around you."
--Christina Binkley
"What happens when the sun goes down is people go crazy," says Patty Fox, a stylist and fashion coordinator for the Academy Awards. She says she gives businesswomen the same advice she gives movie stars: Don't step outside the bounds of your personal style, even for a special occasion.

Gail Graham, executive vice president of marketing for Fidelity Investments, watched a respected co-worker alter her colleagues' impressions of her at a recent business dinner. She "showed up in a dress that was practically backless and showed cleavage," says Ms. Graham, who later heard male colleagues talking about the woman -- days after the event. "It became the story about her. You want the story to be about you and your accomplishments."

"There's no greater crime" for a businesswoman, Ms. Graham adds, with just a smidgen of hyperbole, "than to show cleavage."

While avoiding displays of décolletage may sound obvious, getting the look right isn't as easy as people think. What some women see as fashion-forward can often come across as sexy in a business environment.

Women face mixed messages about what they should wear to evening events. Ubiquitous photos of décolletage-revealing celebrities and models photographed on red carpets and runways do their part to encourage faux pas. The super-short skirt lengths, low necklines and body-hugging silhouettes marketed in stores these days often conjure up the image of a trophy wife rather than an executive. Eveningwear is practically synonymous with sexy.

So it's a good bet that many professional women have made the same mistake I once did of showing too much skin at a business dinner. A male guest complimented my backless dress that evening. But evidently, the dress I had thought was evening-appropriate struck him as something worn to impress; later he coyly suggested I was romantically interested in another unmarried male guest -- something that wasn't at all true.

Because women and power have an awkward relationship in our culture, dress is a particular pitfall for female executives. People aren't knocked off-kilter when a young office assistant shows up in a revealing dress. But when it's the CEO -- or Hillary Clinton -- it's a different story.

"If my attorney bills out at $1,000 an hour, I want them to look like a lawyer, not a celebrity," says Jonathan Fitzgarrald, director of marketing for Greenberg Glusker, a Los Angeles law firm.

It's not just a matter of image; sometimes, there can be real trouble. Lisa Goldstein, an attorney and founder of consulting firm Rainmaker Trainers in Philadelphia, says that during a client dinner with spouses, a head of a law firm was propositioned by her male client and his wife. The client "suggested that they swing together," says Ms. Goldstein, who was informally consulted on how to recover the professional-client relationship. The lawyer felt that her revealing evening dress had set the wrong tone, sending "signals that were misinterpreted," says Ms. Goldstein.

Any rational person should know better than to proposition his attorney. But the reason there are dress codes is to limit the signals that could go awry -- including ones that evoke the irrational.

I suspect these are lessons that our grandmothers could have explained without consulting a neuropsychiatrist. But Louann Brizendine, a prominent brain researcher and author of "The Female Brain," reassures us that human behavior isn't going to rise above responding to revealing clothing anytime soon.

Our brains are hard-wired. The cortex in the back of our brains, Dr. Brizendine says, scans the environment looking for fertile mates. Complicating relations between the sexes, the part of the brain known as the "area for sexual pursuit" is two times larger in men than in women.

Exposed skin speaks louder than annual revenue growth, even to a CEO. "What if the men in your office changed for dinner and came bare-chested?" asks Dr. Brizendine.

Jonscott Turco, a psychologist and consultant with Partners In Human Resources International, says he would prefer not to see women in revealing clothes at business events. "They're thinking it's an empowering thing that they can be sexy and professional," he says, "but guys don't see it that way. If she's dressed sexy, that's all they see."


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Interesting.

Look at the 50 most powerful women according to Fortune.... Very conservatively dressed for the most part. The only notable exceptions are women in the entertainment industry.

Hmmm :.ponders historical professions:
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Yeah, for a woman to be respected and taken seriously she needs to not dress "hoe-ish" (as you Amreekans say).
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Yeah, for a woman to be respected and taken seriously she needs to not dress "hoe-ish" (as you Amreekans say).
true story, my friend and I took a math class, and the other girl dressed kinda, well, questionable. Even though that other girl was an engineer, the boys never asked her questions about homework, they asked my friend and I.
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true story, my friend and I took a math class, and the other girl dressed kinda, well, questionable. Even though that other girl was an engineer, the boys never asked her questions about homework, they asked my friend and I.
Yeah, I know from experience, that in a commercial office environment, the girls who dress with tight skirts or pants, with low cut blouses or tops are simply not taken seriously. They're just seen as a bit of eye candy, or a bit of fun.
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you guys are all wrong

this is just ploy to oppress women, damn muzlems wanna put everybody in a burkah
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you guys are all wrong

this is just ploy to oppress women, damn muzlems wanna put everybody in a burkah
not really, I just prefer that people dont' share their jiggly thighs, and saggy chests with everyone else. Some things are best left to the immagination you know.
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ChotooMotoo's comment is right on the money. I hate when women act ignorant about what's showing. The businesswomen who wear the low cut or backless dresses know exactly what message is coming across--they're just hoping to get someone's attention, even if it means negative sexual attention. Leave the skin-baring to your personal events, not office parties.
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ChotooMotoo's comment is right on the money. I hate when women act ignorant about what's showing. The businesswomen who wear the low cut or backless dresses know exactly what message is coming across--they're just hoping to get someone's attention, even if it means negative sexual attention. Leave the skin-baring to your personal events, not office parties.
Or better still, pop on a burkha as my man qazi's saying.
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Its just symptomatic of the greater problem: - that in the West, women's bodies have been reduced to mere objects used to sell everything from air to cars to money to houses and anything in between.

Women have it hammered into their feeble minds from an early age that they can only get attention and [pseudo]respect if they bare some skin and pop some cleavage. And so throughout their lives they're just continually conditioned to think that skin-tight dresses, see-through clothing or strategic cleavage is the only way they'll get what they want.

Kinda reminds me of the behavior of insects and birds, how they'll hit a glass window thinking they can pass through but they don't get it. Same with these women, they just don't see the glass ceiling and keep smacking into it over and over again.
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Ibn: Women have it hammered into their feeble minds

Feeble?


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Ibn: Women have it hammered into their feeble minds

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women with feeble minds.

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Ibn: Sorry, let me correct that:
Predictable women with feeble minds.





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Its just symptomatic of the greater problem: - that in the West, women's bodies have been reduced to mere objects used to sell everything from air to cars to money to houses and anything in between.
Using attractive women in advertising isn't 'reducing them to mere objects'. It's regrettable the way it's sometimes done, but if that's all you're seeing, you're just zeroing in on one facet of interest to you. Women's bodies being viewed as 'mere objects' isn't confined to the West, nor is the sole paradigm within the West.


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Women have it hammered into their feeble minds from an early age that they can only get attention and [pseudo]respect if they bare some skin and pop some cleavage. And so throughout their lives they're just continually conditioned to think that skin-tight dresses, see-through clothing or strategic cleavage is the only way they'll get what they want.

Kinda reminds me of the behavior of insects and birds, how they'll hit a glass window thinking they can pass through but they don't get it. Same with these women, they just don't see the glass ceiling and keep smacking into it over and over again.
Tell that to the ladies in Bruin's list?
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