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Originally Posted by IbnMardhiyah
No, you're just deluded.
There are always options. Always. Suggesting ideas like running a farm or producing small goods shows how small and incompetent your thinking is, and the fact that you're really not even qualified or experienced enough to be discussing this matter - if you want to be taken seriously.
It would be suicide, or at least a really stupid business idea for most poor people in the world today to run a farm because there are much larger farms out there that have greater market share and bigger and faster logistics and distribution channels. The poor man starting up a farm would either be wasting any money he has already, or be placing himself in potentially irreversible and accumulative debt if he's borrowing any money to start one up.
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Deluded, Why? Am I deluded because I care for people? Am I deluded because I value a life more than a dollar? Or am I deluded because I don't believe every word you say?
Where'd you get the farm from?
But since we're on that topic now, you don't find it appalling that a man can't make a living from his own work? Have you really detached yourself so far from humanity that you see no problem with a man not being able to live of his land with only what he needs?
I'm a human being, the only qualifications I need to talk about the heart is the ability to feel, no piece of paper can emulate that.
I need textual evidence to prove that ALLAH(SWT) cares about people?
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If I have $50 billion personal net worth, money made from legitimate business activities, and I pay my annual zakaat - lets say 2.5% for argument's sake - and I have $25 billion of my assets invested in financial vehicles giving me a 35% annualized ROI, then I'm growing my money and paying zakaat on top of the capital gains as well - in addition to my pre-existing assets, and presuming I'm also using my money to support schools and masaajid and communities, etc etc ... how could I not have that kind of money, Islamically? even practically? Is there some barrier? is it makrouh or haraam?
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Do you have any idea how rich some of the Sahabaa used to be? During the time of the Khulafaa ar-Rashidoon, one of the Sahabaa came in on his own business caravan with like a thousand camels. The guy was very wealthy, his business was prospering, he was freaking LOADED. He had the opportunity to sell all his foodstuffs for five times the normal price due to market conditions in Madinah at that time. And he could have legitimately, Islamically, sold the goods at higher than their regular price because the merchants were willing to pay that much, of their own volition. And of course I'm sure you know the rest of the story.
You really. have. no. clue.
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If were talking Islam being PRACTICED, lets keep it to the Ahlul Bayt...I'm not touching a "sahabaa" argument.
Oh, and for the record, Ali(AS) and Fatima(RA) lived in poverty, they had only what they needed and they were happy.
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Yes. This coming from me. Someone who's way older than you and is in professional sales and presentation, and runs his own business as well.
Open your mind and realize I'm trying to teach you something. You really DO NOT have any worthwhile presentation skills. You need these skills if you want to make coherent, effective, and convincing presentations to others around you - be it for commercial or non-commercial reasons. Learn how to do an elevator pitch. It'll help you in nearly every aspect of your life.
You're trying to present a certain idea but you're failing at it, failing miserably. I'm not insulting you, I just don't have a habit of sugar-coating things and handling people with kiddie gloves and making them believe something that isn't true.
So like I said, go back and learn how to sell. And then come back, and try again.
And I absolutely demand that you give me Islamic textual evidence for the claims you made above about Islam.
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This sound really messed up coming from you...
"Open my mind" "Presentation skills"....are you trying to come off as a hypocrite or just really conceited? In your Capitalist 'conditioning' did they ever teach you to grow inward before going outward? Or was your first lesson in relinquishing compassion?
Age means nothing if your will can't stand up to bias. To tell you the truth the only thing I see you're experiences amounting to is the bigot typing in defense of those who would work a man to death before carrying their own load.
Get off off your high horse man, you 'demand'?
I really don't think I need quranic proof that islam cares about people, more than money.
Read Surah Asr, that surah defines what makes people better or worse through he test of time, oh and it ain't money.
I would however love to see an ayah that describes the practices of industrial, imperial capitalism.