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Default Re: Bill Gates drops to #3 in World's Richest

As usual your rhetoric is mostly emotional, distorted or irrelevant facts, and other flotsam.

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Originally Posted by SaidAbdullahofDarfur View Post
You honestly don't see a problem with these few people being so rich, and millions are so poor?
No.

I've said this a billion times, and I will say it again a billion times more.

I do not see any problem whatsoever with a minority of people being wealthy and many people being poor.

All those poor people have the opportunity to work and improve their lives. The majority of the rich people on this list are self-made, and did not inherit their wealth. By and large, they made their money fair and square.

Gates and Ellison are in the IT world, and Dell, who isn't mentioned here but is also in the same industry, did the same. Slim Helu is in Telecom. The Indian moguls are in steel and a variety of other verticals. Prince Waleed was really just an average Saudi but he was clever broker and knew how to maneuver very artfully, and the Citicorp deal was just absolutely f***ing BRILLIANT.

Islam is not a communist of socialist system that you so desperately wish it to be. if anything Islam, although it has its own unique financial regulations, is still far more closer to capitalism than it is to socialism. Islam does not say making money is bad, or being rich is bad. Yes, money has its dangers, and Islam does advise on how to distribute wealth fairly, but nowhere does Islam shun business or making money. If anything Islam was BUILT on money.

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#2 is from mexico, A year back I read about him in al-quds, He's an arab business man, VP of the MEXICAN stock exchange.
Actually he has some Lebanese blood in him, like many.... many ... many Central and South Americans. Otherwise he's just as Mexican as the rest, and he built up his money through legitimate business activities and that is not a crime, nor is it something unethical - which you are trying to portray it to be.

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The average mexican makes less than only 400USD a year, yet this man was the richest man in the world through 2007.

#4 & #5 are both indian #5 is worth more than 43.2 billion, the average indian makes 500USD a year.

This doesn't disgust you?
No, it does NOT disgust me.

Why should it? Are you trying to, in some really twisted way, imply that these rich men now bear the responsibility of improving the wages of all the poor? That's so dumb. They have no such legal, ethical, or moral responsibility. Not in Islam, and not outside of Islam.

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Are you thinking of what these people did to become so rich?
How many lives hey probably destroyed?
How many people died in their factories?
Again, you're ranting on and on emotionally.

Warren Buffet is just a smart investor.

Gates was a thief who stole the Windows idea before it could become IP and parlayed it onto IBM clones. Larry Ellison [from Oracle] is a hard driver who built Oracle's empire through legitimate business activities, in fair market competition against his main rival, SAP.

Prince Waleed - smart investing, routinely referred to as the Arab version of Warren Buffet. Another example [amongst many] of smart Arab investors and brokers was Khashoggi, even though I think his activities were unethical, it doesnt matter, it was all legitimate BUSINESS.

Legitimate business runs via the market. The Market decides who survives and who dies. Yes, some people will go out of business due to stronger competition, but thats not illegal or unethical.

So what the heck are you talking about?

Really?

Like, tomorrow, my name could be up there. What are you going to do? Come point fingers at me and say I killed so many people and drank the blood of babies to get to where I am? That I'm so evil because I'm worth a couple dozen billions? Or that, I have some sort of ethical / moral / legal and inexorable responsibility to raise all the poor peoples' daily wages and incomes?

ITS BUSINESS.

NOT A CHARITY.
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