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Old 02-24-2008, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: do you guys consider Iran to be a just islamic state?

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Originally Posted by AliFazel View Post
We were talking about Iran &- Just Islamic state.
Some how we are discussing Prophet and Imamet -

But I don’t mind.
lol, just admit you lose here, because you can't prove you believe in the aqeeda of khatm nubuwwat, because you simply don't, you believe in 12 Prophets after Muhammad s.a.w, worse than Qadiyanis.

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“There will be twelve commanders (Amir).” He then said a sentence which I did not hear.

The Prophet said: “This religion would continue to remain powerful and dominant until there have been twelve Caliphs.” [Book #20, #4482]

To keep this short I will stop here ------ With One Question

Where are your 12 Imams?
Religion was dominant at the time of Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Muawiya..during the caliphate of Banu Umaiya in particular because Islam spread far and wide during the caliphates of these people who were not in fact the children of Ali r.a, in fact the caliphate of Ali r.a also wasn't good for Islam because it was full of conspiracies of the Jewish sect and their fitnah.
Since your rest of the Imams couldn't become the caliphs or commanders, this hadith can't help you, you should try your own hadiths from the Sahi Kafi.

As for where our 12 Imams are, our Holy Prophet didn't give us their names, he didn't either tell us that it is necessary for everyone to know them by name and believe them, belief of 12 fallible imams as mentioned above is not an article of faith.
Most scholars have included Muawiya radiyallahu anhu to these 12 imams, I'm sure you like it.
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