[Salahadeen]

Originally Posted by MossadConspiracy

salam

i understand what you're saying

but just one quick point that you have to think about is this. If you are saying that Allah occupies a place seperate from the created universe, then thats fine. I agree with you. I understand theres some kind of controversy about this and you're arguing the position you agree with.

If you're saying that Allah was located at a point above the prophet's (saw) head when he pointed up to the sky in the hadith that you mentioned, and Allah is always in this point, then you have to understand that for the people on the other side of the earth at the point when rasullulah pointed his finger upwards, Allah would be located beneath their feet, through the earth, through the feet of the prophet, through the prophet's raised finger, beyond the sky that he was pointing at, beyond outer space, etc. Thats why I think it makes more sense to suggest that there was a metaphorical component to it. The only way for Allah to be located above every person in the world at any one moment is if His form is spherical and encircles the entire universe. And as far as I know, salafis do not believe in anything like this and neither do any other muslims. In fact I remember salafis having a very heated argument with people about whether Allah's throne is an actual throne that he sits on or just a metaphorical one.

ws

Wa alaykum as-Salam dear brother Mossad-Conspiracy,

This is a very common argument used against the Salafis. But the refutation of this is actually very simple.

Let me ask you: Where are the heavens? Can you point to the heavens? Do you point up? If you point up, would people on the opposite side of the earth point down when you ask them "where are the heavens"?

We know that the heavens are up, no matter where you are on the earth. Therefore, however you reconcile this for the heavens, then that reconciliation should work for Allah Almighty Who is above the heavens.

Nobody in his right mind would ever point downwards when you ask "where are the heavens"...no matter if he lived on the north pole or the south pole or Asia or Africa or South America or wherever...everyone points up.