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Originally Posted by GOTFIVEONIT
communism? since when does people's lives have a price tag on it? you say that a hospital cannot refuse a patient. but what do they do when that patient cant afford to pay? did you even watch that movie sicko? one guy had to choose which finger to reattach, where one finger costed more to reattach than the other. tell me mossad, you dont need special machines to reattach a finger. tell me mossad why does a doctor have to charge $6,000 frickin dollars just to S.T.I.T.C.H. two fingers back onto a hand???? this is disgusting! this is highway robbery. and thats why i say you people in your profession prey on human misery. no wonder john edwards and those lawyers exist.
i mean 'communism'. is your garbage man 'communism'?? is your police dept 'communism'? is your fireman 'communism'? is your public library 'communism'? is your public transport such as buses and metro trains 'communism'? is your mailman 'communism'? these are all government run services, and so should be healthcare too. look at canada, free universal healthcare. look at the U.K., they have the national health services.
you know what a british doctor said about american doctors. if you want to live in a multimillion dollar home, and own three or four luxury cars, then doctors need the current american style health care right now. thats a british doctor talking, not my words, not my opinion, but the opinion of a briitsh doctor, not some student but a actual doctor.
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I did see sicko, but unlike some people I choose not to obtain my knowledge on complex topics from movies. I'm sure you watched jurassic park as well but that doesnt make you an expert on genetics or zoology, so lets just drop the nonsense with regards to sico. If you choose to accept Michael Moore's opinion as the gospel then thats your choice, but I beg to differ with his view. I also dont need to watch a movie to learn about how hospitals handle patients because I happen to spend most of my time in hospitals and I understand how they work.
As for whether a doctor deserves to make $6000 for reattaching fingers, I'd say they probably should get more considering how complicated the surgery is. A hand surgeon isnt just some guy who stitches. He is somebody who earned an MD, completed a long and tough fellowship in Orthopedic Surgery, and (usually) went on to complete a fellowship in hand surgery. If you feel that reattaching fingers is just a matter of stitching, then just go to a tailor if you ever need that service (god forbid). I'm sure he'll stitch them right back on for $50, and tailors are much better at stitching than surgeons are.
But if you want a competent hand surgeon then either you, or you insurance company, or medicaid are going to have to be willing to pay for that surgeon's expertise. There are shortages of capable orthopedic specialists in places with communist healthcare like the United Kingdom or Canada. People who lose fingers usually just have to deal with the fact that they will never have those fingers reattached. Americans are fortunate to have a good supply of specialized surgeons who can do repairs like this.
On the topic of British doctors and Canadian ones, Michael Moore is a marxist so he gives one side of the story. But there is another side. Since healthcare is nationalized in those places and resources are not enough to provide care for everyone, some people end up getting screwed over and it usually ends up being the old. Do you know what happens to people in Europe when they get end stage renal disease? They get to die. Of course Michael Moore doesnt care about them, and neither do the commissars who write off their lives in a manner that is no less cruel than the worst abuses that come from the insurance companies. The question is why we would want to trade one unfair and broken system for another equally unfair and broken system? The rational approach would be to fix the system we have which is unique in the world for being able to provide the best quality care on Earth to people who have access to it