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Originally Posted by Jamroll
Well, if they were my own words, then I would have to concede your rebuke, and say that no, alhamdulillah, I have never lived through slaughter.
However, they are in fact words from the Holy Qur'an, the author of which is my Creator and yours.
I'm not saying that Iraqis must suffer slaughter to prove my principles right, as we on Islamica all sit comfortably in our homes typing away on our computers. But any bid for freedom, whether it be from despotic tyrants from amongst your own people, or from imperialist occupiers, requires a certain amount of striving and struggling. In the contemporary Iraqi context, this struggling and striving might result in lives lost along the way, but isn't freedom worth striving for?
Also in my view, Iraqis are being killed in the thousands anyway, as they try and go about their lives, with the imperialist boot on their necks and the sword of Iraqi gangs at their throats. If the occupiers are removed from the picture, this will relieve some of the tension, and I have full confidence that Iraqis can handle their own, however long that may take.
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salam
do you have the sura and aya number for that line? I'd like to see its context and tafseer and so on before making anymore comments about it because I dont want to get thrown into hell over comments by some dude on the net. I have enough sins to worry about. Thanks.
the rest of what you write is all well and good, in fact I agree with most of it. Except you negate it all with the last phrase. "However long that may take" is just a nice way of saying "however many Iraqis have to die" because anything that leads to prolonged conflict or worsened conflict in Iraq means more Iraqis dying. If somebody supports the Iraqi people from a humanitarian perspective then the only outcome they should support is the one that they are convinced would result in the lowest number of Iraqis dead, hurt, displaced, etc. There are some people who would argue that if the coalition withdraws immediately and the Iraqis are allowed to fight it out or talk it out as they see fit, then this will lead to less overall harm to the Iraqi people than the alternatives. They might very well be right in that speculation
However, as soon as we start saying that there has to be one particular outcome in Iraq and it should happen no matter how long it takes (in other words no matter how many Iraqis die to achieve it), then the focus is no longer humanitarian, but rather political. We are no longer just interested in the wellbeing of as many Iraqis as possible, we now support one group or one course of action and are behind that even if it may end up causing more harm than some of its alternatives. This goes for either side of the discussion not just the "withdraw-now", "anti-war", "pro-peace", "pro-jihad", "terrorist" side or whatever term you want to call it.
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