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Originally Posted by bihari
I dont know about Abu Bakr (r) appointing Umar (r), but I do know that Abu Bakr (r) was himself elected,
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Sayyedina Abu Bakr (RA) did appoint Sayyedina Umar (RA). That invalidates your statement here:
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Originally Posted by bihari
the sharia and democracy go hand and hand....the sharia states that leaders should be elected, which is democracy
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Originally Posted by bihari
and Umar (r) could not have appointed Uthman (r) since Umar (r) was killed...but I will check on this and post later.....also, you said he was chosen by a 'shura', which means 'council'
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Yeah. I said it was an oligarchic selection, not a democratic one. That means Uthman (RA) was selected by a small number of individuals who made up a council. Which again invalidates your statement about shariah and democracy..
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Originally Posted by bihari
Furthermore, the Qur'an (from which the Sharia is derived) say the following:
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Shariah is derived from the Qur'an, Sunnah, Qiyas, and Ijtihad.
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Originally Posted by bihari
"42:38 and who respond to [the call of] their Sustainer and are constant in prayer; and whose rule [in all matters of common concern] is consultation among themselves; [38] and who spend on others out of what We provide for them as sustenance"
'and whose rule [in all matters of common concern] is consultation among themselves'
If that isn't democracy, I don't know what is...
"4:59 O you who have attained to faith! Pay heed unto God, and pay heed unto the Apostle and unto those from among you who have been entrusted with authority; and if you are at variance over any matter, refer it unto God and the Apostle, if you [truly] believe in God and the Last Day. This is the best [for you], and best in the end."
'..Pay heed unto God, and pay heed unto the Apostle and unto those from among you who have been entrusted with authority...'
Basically it is giving us a hierarchy, first consult God (Qur'an), then consult the Apostle/Prophet (Hadith/Sunnah), and then the leader from among you (political leader)
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Well, that was a pretty ridiculous attempt at tafsir.