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Originally Posted by ChotooMotoo

I never understood the Muslim support of Bush in the 2000 election.

Originally Posted by MuslimZ

It's the family values bs. That, and the fact that Gore's running mate happened to be Jewish.

Lieberman is not just Jewish, but a pro-Israeli hawk. He supported (and supports) the war on Iraq, and was among the first to start banging the drums for a war on Iran. His 2004 campaign committee had at least one high-level AIPAC official. That hardly seems like a palatable politician to a Muslim, unless they're toeing a party line.

Which candidate do you guys support now?

Originally Posted by MuslimZ

I kid you not, I once heard an imam preaching that if we voted for Gore, Leiberman would assassinate him so he could become President and Jews would run the world.

We're so quick to lash out at small-minded bigotry but don't recognize our own ridiculousness. Logic and objective thinking to Muslims are like medicine and bedtime to a 4 year old.

To decide 1.5 billion people as a whole can't think objectively or exercise logic based on your limited experience with them is a failure to exercise logic and objective thinking.

Further, if Muslims generally fail to exercise logic and objective thinking (yourself excepted, apparently), there has to be a cause for this phenomenon, since ~1.5 billion people sharing a single characteristic will necessarily imply a causal trait. Now, Muslims come from disparate backgrounds - financial, cultural, ethnic, race, etc. The only thing Muslims have in common, besides their humanity (which you excluded, since not all humans are Muslim) is their Islam. One could infer the implication from your statement that the root cause of Muslims' failure to think objectively and exercise logic is their Islam.

One who is a Muslim should always be careful when speaking critically of "Muslims."

And to say that it was entirely "family values BS" that prompted Muslims to vote for Bush in 2000 demonstrates ignorance of the platforms and political climate of the time. Bush made himself look friendly to Palestine and Palestinians; he cozied up to Arabs and Arab groups, played up his familial relations to the Saudis, etc. According to a Gallup poll, Palestinians viewed him similarly to Bill Clinton at the time - negatively due to the fact that he was an American president, but obviously nowhere near the level of hostility they view him with now.

In regards to the "family values BS," it seems very strange that American Muslims wouldn't care about the environment they live in and the environment their children grow up in. Especially given the Islamic principle of upholding of shariah or what is in agreement with shariah, and discouraging what is considered abominable in the eyes of Allah whenever possible. From what I've seen of UK Muslim first-third generations, they are very different in this regard from Americans.

Originally Posted by Good_ol_JR

Im really liking this Ron Paul guy and he is BY FAR the most popular candidate online. He won every Republican debate on-line poll. Its impossible to watch a Youtube clip without getting spammed with Ron Paul 08 in the comments section. He also has about as many meet up groups as the other front runners combined. And has raised a ridiculous amount of money from online donations.

However because of his Paleo-conservative/ Old school Republican views, the Zions dont take a liking to him and hardly report him in the news. Still he manages to be a front runner in all Republican polls. I know he still has a 1% chance of winning, but you might as well vote for him and try to influence future candidates rather than go with Hillary or Giuliani/Romney. Fact is one of them is gonna win because thats who the electorate wants to win. Obama is just running a stunt here but may be a serious contender in the future.

Ron Paul could bring the Arab/Muslim world back to being pro-American and doesn't compromise on moral issues. He's very intelligent & a nice guy to boot. Unfortunately, he has no chance of winning a Zionist-dominated Republican primary & has even less of a shot in the general elections.