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Originally Posted by Abdul_Karim

Here we go with the "Wahhabi" canard. This hijab issue has nothing to do with being a "Wahhabi" and everything to do with the unanimous view of the four madhhabs of Ahl us-Sunnah. The Hanafis (who, in the Indian subcontinent are the majority) insist on women covering their hair, as do the rest.

Of course, you named yourself after an old Luniz song about smoking weed. That might explain something.

Right on bro

Originally Posted by m_ali_qazi

not from what i understand, the way i've learned it, literalism means taking the meaning of hadiths literally without interpreting the cultural context


thats fine if that's your methodology, but its not the one i follow

from what i understand, islam was revealed in a strict cultural context of the hijaz, and if its not re-interpreted by the scholars for their own time and place, well then you're imposing a culture of a different time and place on your people, thats a form of cultural imperialism and any ideology that does not allow people of a particular time and place to live their own way of life deprives them of self determination and that ideology will fail.

Here's something to ponder on, Islam is supposed to establish justice, fairness and equilibrium, yet every islamic society where there are strong islamic movements(egypt, pakistan, palestine, turkey etc) is split in to two groups of people, islamists and modernists. Where's the equilibrium? Where's the balance? How do muslims plan on establishing khilafa or any kind of unity when half of the ummah is marginalized? And then, countries where there is perpetual uniformity(Iran, Saudi Arabia) are authoritarian and oppressive. How do you establish islam without preserving human dignity?

Fortunately, traditional Islam has been grand and expansive and it allows people to practice in their own capacity and allows people to practice their culture. So while the "Pakistani" hijab is not allegedly perfect, its modest and serves the purpose. As a matter of fact, the pakistani woman wearing shalwar kameez and dupatta are more modest in appearance than the Arabs that wear tight hijab along with tight clothes.

Traditional scholars look at hijab as a concept and not a piece of cloth.

Read this for your own elightenment: http://www.nawawi.org/downloads/article3.pdf
and this is good too: YouTube - Hijaab! Hijaab! Hijaab!! Let's hear Shaykh Hamza Yusuf . . .

I agree with you on the OVERALL idea. I shoulda rephrased what i said. But the debate was the dupatta revieling the hair. Do you think that dupatta stays on there like that everywhere? It doesnt fall off in the wind? I'm desi i know what a dupatta is, it also covers the womens chest and neckline, and too often outside in the wind, it literallY FLIES OFF. Im not women but im just saying. And like Abdul_Karim said, i don't thinkt here is any doubt on how a Hijab or covering a muslim women should be.