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Originally Posted by Salika
Don't freemasons hold Christian-type beliefs (kind of I guess)... how can muslims be freemasons... and how do we know they were? and why would they be?
anyways, I think they're hats are goofy.
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Masons do not hold Christian beliefs. To become a Mason one has to beleive in ONE God, a Mason can be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc etc.
Each Lodge follows basic Mason doctrine but its open to interpretation, hence each lodge does its own thing.
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Originally Posted by Abu_Hind
There are things that fall under 'nawaqidh ul-islam', and scholars both classical and contemporary have discussed them in great details. Even if someone pays lip service to Islam and says and does something which takes them outside the fold of Islam, they are not Muslim anymore. Hence Ataturd was NOT a muslim
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Kemal Mustapha was gullty of many trransgression but did they take him out of the fold of Islam? He brought many Illiterate Turks into the folds of Islam by allowing the Quran to be translated into Turkish.
Everyone knows my stance on Ataturk(I hated what he did to Turkey) but to call him a Kaafir is beyond you or I. Your disrepect toward a dead person is sickening.