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jinnz: Well, I thought it was pretty clear since you've previously objected to many of the essential components of what would be construed as an Islamic society such as the implementation of the Shari'ah to its fullest degree ranging from family law to criminal law to commercial law, etc.

Correction, objected for them to be implemented in the West at this time- especially since you are already more than free to implement many of them into your lifestyle.

jinnz: I mean, you also reject hadeeth which is a huge component of Islamic jurisprudence which itself is the essential defining characteristic of an "Islamic" society as opposed to a non-Muslim society. The presence of capitalism, liberal democracy, and other Western ideologies makes a society "Western." I think what Hanbali was saying is that you identify yourself more with those characteristics rather then the traditional Islamic view. I don't see that as calling you a "kaffir" unless you concede that the ideas you hold are kufr.

Firstly, this was not the first time within two days he tried to call me out for not being apart of the Ummah, "us", and being one of them. Would you like me to link you to his posts?

Secondly, which Hadiths would make me not want to live in an Islamic environment? Is there a Hadith about women not being allowed to drive? No. Is there a Hadith permitting you to beat your women? No. Is there a Hadith forbidding women to be apart and active contributors to society and their Masjid community? No. Is there a Hadith forbidding the education of women? No. So where would I have a problem? I don't have to agree with every single Hadith in order to feel "comfortable" and "fit in" with an Islamic environment. That is absolutely ridiculous to try to claim.

As I have said from the start, I don't have a problem with Islamic societies, I have a problem with societies who practice HISlam and front like it's the real thing. So again, no I would not have a problem living an a very Islamic environment- if it is indeed Islamic. Saudi, quite frankly, is not "very Islamic" by any stretch of the imagination.


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