Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanbali
If you say : ‘O Ali, give us rain!’, then this is Sarih al-Kufr – an explicit statement of Kufr, which does not accommodate Majaz. Just like the word Talaq, is an explicit statement of divorce, and if one says it to his wife even in jest, his wife is divorced. He cannot claim: I only intended it allegorically, whereas my intention was not to divorce her. Similarly, when one makes a statement of clear-cut apostasy, such as: O Ali, give us rain, then he becomes an apostate, and his claim that he intended something else would be of no use to him.
|
I do not agree that a serious issue like dissolving marriage should be treated so lightly that it balances on the utterance of talaq 3-times.This is a lengthy discussion which we cannot afford to discuss here - else we will side track from the subject under discussion.
------------
The way you worded the sentence -- "O' Ali give us rain" certainly appear horrible and blasphemous. --- Even Shia Alim will not condone this.
But Ya Ali madad or Ya rusul-il-lah madad Simply means O' Ali help Or O' Rasool-il-lah help.
As long as the two elements of kufr, are present in the intention,
1) Considering the person in the grave to be a deity
2) Belief that person can give regardless of the will of Allah.
I cannot accept that this is kufr --- I cannot accept that which defies logic.
So I can only move to request from you to produce proof --- from Qur’an and or Authentic Hadith supported by Qur’anic verses.